Montréal Transit Developments

[Urban Sky]

Comparing a Light Metro project which is largely at-grade or even within an existing ROW (with a relatively short tunnel being modernized) with an LRT project which is dug into the ground for half its length doesn’t really appear to me as a valid and fair comparison.

I would believe that the Skytrain is a much more valid comparison, but it also seems to suffer from high construction costs recently:

Surrey Langley Skytrain project cost now $2B higher

The B.C. government says the cost of building the Surrey Langley SkyTrain extension will cost $2 billion more than originally estimated.

vancouver.citynews.ca

To compare, the per-km costs of the early stages:

Cost of SkyTrain

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[nfitz]

Comparing a Light Metro project which is largely at-grade or even within an existing ROW (with a relatively short tunnel being modernized) with an LRT project which is dug into the ground for half its length doesn’t really appear to me as a valid and fair comparison.

There's other comparison issues as well. The Eglinton costs include 30 years of maintenance - and I don't know how much for operation; how many years of maintenance/operation are included in the REM (and Vancouver) numbers? And do the Montreal numbers include the 4-km of structure that was part of the Champlain Bridge construction in the cost (or just the denominator)?

For Vancouver, the Broadway subway cost would be a better comparison - though I doubt that includes decades of maintenance.

 

[officedweller]

For the Vancouver extensions, maintenance would not be included because those ones are not P3s run by a separate operator (they are true extension to the existing TransLink operated lines).
The Surrey one might include the new storage yard, but that could be costed separately.

 

[nfitz]

For the Vancouver extensions, maintenance would not be included because those ones are not P3s run by a separate operator (they are true extension to the existing TransLink operated lines).
The Surrey one might include the new storage yard, but that could be costed separately.

Line 5 and Line 6 are also run by a separate operator. There's a difference between operator and maintenance. (the operator isn't even maintaining the vehicles!).

(that's not really your point though). It does make apples and oranges comparisons difficult. Even more traditional big costs like land acquisition, design, vehicle acquisition (and yards), may or may not be included in easily accessible public numbers. Sometimes vehicles were purchased a decade earlier, with an eye to a future use!

 

[dowlingm]

New cost is now 8.34 billion.

(ouch)

As most on here know, it’s easier to be cheaper when your ROW, main tunnel and main station are basically handed to you and your spend is mostly refit.

 

[Bojaxs]

Exo one step closer to completing Montreal’s Lucien-L’Allier train station | Watch News Videos Online

Watch Exo one step closer to completing Montreal’s Lucien-L’Allier train station Video Online, on GlobalNews.ca

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[nfitz]

Exo one step closer to completing Montreal’s Lucien-L’Allier train station | Watch News Videos Online

Watch Exo one step closer to completing Montreal’s Lucien-L’Allier train station Video Online, on GlobalNews.ca

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Just before they cancel most of the trains that use it.

 

[Mind_the_gap]

New exo Charger has arrived (Unit 1400)!!!

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