Metrolinx: Sheppard East LRT (In Design)

[Bordercollie]

Why do assume that everyone works in the downtown core? You know a lot of people work at Yonge between Sheppard and Finch? Yonge and Eglinton, Yonge and Bloor?

That new development is at least another 5000 people to the community. It's still more riders than it had now, and during rush hour the trains are very busy (before Covid19), and there is more development plans at the Bayview village site where the parking will become a condo. That's another 1000 people.

Another office tower is being built at Yonge and Sheppard on the south west corner.

As well there is more development potential around Consumers Rd with offices becoming condos.

Connection to GO transits Richmond Hill line will allow people to live in Richmond Hill, and areas farther north and commute to uptown, midtown office districts.

The subway is already built so let's make use of it the best we can. As for east of Don Mills, LRT makes more sense.

 

[Undead]

With the GO Station being move to Sheppard and the line seeing all day service

GO RH is to receive all day service? Are you sure about this? I don't think that was in the plans for any time soon.

 

[Bordercollie]

The corridor up to Langstaff GO is owned by Metronlinx, and there are passing tracks between Orioe and Union so you could do 30min train frequencies without an issue. North of Langstaff, you would need to work it out with CN and you would need another platform at Langstaff.

 

[ARG1]

The corridor up to Langstaff GO is owned by Metronlinx, and there are passing tracks between Orioe and Union so you could do 30min train frequencies without an issue. North of Langstaff, you would need to work it out with CN and you would need another platform at Langstaff.

Actually not Langstaff, but Old Cummer. Past Old Cummer and you're already in CN territory.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Why do assume that everyone works in the downtown core? You know a lot of people work at Yonge between Sheppard and Finch? Yonge and Eglinton, Yonge and Bloor?

That new development is at least another 5000 people to the community. It's still more riders than it had now, and during rush hour the trains are very busy (before Covid19), and there is more development plans at the Bayview village site where the parking will become a condo. That's another 1000 people.

Another office tower is being built at Yonge and Sheppard on the south west corner.

As well there is more development potential around Consumers Rd with offices becoming condos.

Connection to GO transits Richmond Hill line will allow people to live in Richmond Hill, and areas farther north and commute to uptown, midtown office districts.

The subway is already built so let's make use of it the best we can. As for east of Don Mills, LRT makes more sense.

welcome to UT

 

[syn]

Why do assume that everyone works in the downtown core? You know a lot of people work at Yonge between Sheppard and Finch? Yonge and Eglinton, Yonge and Bloor?

That new development is at least another 5000 people to the community. It's still more riders than it had now, and during rush hour the trains are very busy (before Covid19), and there is more development plans at the Bayview village site where the parking will become a condo. That's another 1000 people.

Another office tower is being built at Yonge and Sheppard on the south west corner.

As well there is more development potential around Consumers Rd with offices becoming condos.

Connection to GO transits Richmond Hill line will allow people to live in Richmond Hill, and areas farther north and commute to uptown, midtown office districts.

The subway is already built so let's make use of it the best we can. As for east of Don Mills, LRT makes more sense.

Welcome to the forum.

You're right, not everyone works in the downtown core.

When it comes to density, however, the developments you speak of are a drop in the bucket when it comes to justifying a subway in that corridor.

Most of the suburban subway transit projects currently being planned are being justified largely because they provide greater access to the downtown core.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

As a general note, I am sad at how Toronto has treated on street LRT. We had an opportunity to connect large parts of the city, and while the subways will carry more, it was an opportunity to bring areas in for cheap. Now it's Bus -> Regional Center in Borough -> Downtown. Any thoughts?

GO RH is to receive all day service? Are you sure about this? I don't think that was in the plans for any time soon.

Welcome to UT

 

[smallspy]

The corridor up to Langstaff GO is owned by Metronlinx, and there are passing tracks between Orioe and Union so you could do 30min train frequencies without an issue. North of Langstaff, you would need to work it out with CN and you would need another platform at Langstaff.

Actually not Langstaff, but Old Cummer. Past Old Cummer and you're already in CN territory.

The correct answer is "none of the above".

Metrolinx owns the line up to the diamond at Doncaster - between Steeles and John. That is 2 miles north of Old Cummer Station.

GO has looked at offering a mid-day or weekend service to Old Cummer, as a way to get more buses off of the congested DVP. They had a schedule drawn up a year and a half ago along with plans to institute the service, but had the plan kyboshed by CN who was still dispatching the line at the time and didn't want to allocate the RTC resources necessary.

It's still on GO's plans, but as they have been told to not provide any more rail service improvements for this calendar year it won't be happening for a little while still.

Dan

 

[robmausser]

Actually not Langstaff, but Old Cummer. Past Old Cummer and you're already in CN territory.

Youre both not totally right.

to be pedantic its not immediately after Old Cummer, its at the York Sub, so about midway between the two stations.

But functionally the service would end at Old Cummer unless new tracks were built or CN agreed to more trains

 

[micheal_can]

As a general note, I am sad at how Toronto has treated on street LRT. We had an opportunity to connect large parts of the city, and while the subways will carry more, it was an opportunity to bring areas in for cheap. Now it's Bus -> Regional Center in Borough -> Downtown. Any thoughts?

I'll never understand why the went with LRT. We have LRVs running all over downtown. Extend them out. Connect them to other major routes. Grade separate the ones you can. Just like how talk is that the OL will use a different technology than the rest of the Subway system. We tried that with the SRT and it flopped.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I'll never understand why the went with LRT. We have LRVs running all over downtown. Extend them out. Connect them to other major routes. Grade separate the ones you can. Just like how talk is that the OL will use a different technology than the rest of the Subway system. We tried that with the SRT and it flopped.

The great recession made expansion with subways impossible. And then tunnelling prices killed option until recently.

They'll cave with the rockets after the election. no one wants a monorail technology.

 

[afransen]

Monorail? (edit to clarify: why do you mention monorail?)

I think if anything, lighter Metro is going to be the future for new heavy rail lines in Toronto. Extending an existing line with a different technology like SRT is a pretty poor solution and bound to fail since it requires nearly every trip to transfer multiple times.

 

[Islington Express Bus]

Just like how talk is that the OL will use a different technology than the rest of the Subway system. We tried that with the SRT and it flopped.

That's because of the forced transfer at Kennedy which makes many trips inconvenient. No one really cares if different lines use different rolling stock.

 

[Rainforest]

Monorail?

I think if anything, lighter Metro is going to be the future for new heavy rail lines in Toronto. Extending an existing line with a different technology like SRT is a pretty poor solution and bound to fail since it requires nearly every trip to transfer multiple times.

I'd think that Monorail is too light. We probably want at least medium-capacity lines for this city's demand levels.

 

[TossYourJacket]

That's because of the forced transfer at Kennedy which makes many trips inconvenient. No one really cares if different lines use different rolling stock.

Plus the transfer at Kennedy was particularly badly designed, which didn't help. Which is something this line will have to think about unless it's all done as an extension of the existing line. The more awkward you make a transfer, the more people will resent it.