W. K. Lis
Superstar
I use a plastic enclosure attached to a lanyard around my neck.
From link.
Do a google search for transit pass lanyard. DO NOT PUNCH A HOLE in the card.
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I use a plastic enclosure attached to a lanyard around my neck.
From link.
Do a google search for transit pass lanyard. DO NOT PUNCH A HOLE in the card.
nfitz
Superstar
Given that there seems to be a criminal interest in children's Presto cards, I think the last think I'd want is my 11-year old riding the streetcar by herself with a lanyard around her neck with a PrestoCard in it! Seems unnecessarily risky!
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Be sure that the lanyard is the breakaway type.
nfitz
Superstar
True ... I wasn't even thinking of strangulation issues. I was simply thinking of the "creating potential mugging target" issue!
44 North
Senior Member
Or sometimes not even about costs. Lots of people buy a piece of technology until it's obsolete, or damaged to the point of being unrepairable. Never get those wedded to a high-end device but immediately buy the newest version when it comes out, happily discarding something not few months earlier they were supposedly in love with.
littlewill1166
Active Member
Assuming that they didn't change how the VISION system interfaces with the presto readers from this diagram, the answer is no. However, the TTC could implement an agency-specific concession like they did with PS2.
pman
Senior Member
Surely the best solution is to have a TTC inspector at every single fare gate to check that people are using the proper card.
littlewill1166
Active Member
That would probably cost more than it yields.
Steve X
Senior Member
I really don't know who planned the idea of a free access child card without any way to tell it's being used. I foresee this problem from day one. Did they recently realized that this is happening on a regular basis?
They might as well gate busy streetcar and bus terminals. Place a set of gates at the Spadina streetcar loop. Put a presto machine there and let people buy a ticket if they don't have one. Vancouver has them at entrances for those who didn't buy the correct zone or fare evaded into the system. This saves all the courts fee and fines TTC won't even get to keep.
If they can't do anything in the meantime, I think they should just charge adult fare if a child card is tapped. Tell the children to stop using the card and use main subway entrances with staff and don't tap on buses/streetcars till the solve the problem.
They should just install a multicolour LED light on every gate that will light up with Adult, Senior/Student and Child concession. It'll be easy to spot and have an officer there ready to write a ticket. The report has noted inspectors don't have the ability to arrest someone if they resist or simply walk away.
They might as well gate busy streetcar and bus terminals. Place a set of gates at the Spadina streetcar loop. Put a presto machine there and let people buy a ticket if they don't have one. Vancouver has them at entrances for those who didn't buy the correct zone or fare evaded into the system. This saves all the courts fee and fines TTC won't even get to keep.
44 North
Senior Member
That. But more importantly deactivate then re-issue the cards so they're noticeably different. Rainbow polka dots for child card and it's basically fixed.
littlewill1166
Active Member
They can't do that because there are other agencies also using child card like GO, YRT, etc. What they could do is make an agency specific concession like they did with the fair pass.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
This kind of thing is what happens when you have a division of responsibilities fragmented across multiple agencies. Organizations are prone to making errors, such as this child fare issue, unless all parties have a seat at the table throughout the process.
nfitz
Superstar
I'd think they could simply block that card type on TTC devices. As children don't need to pay any $ at all, they don't in theory need cards. It's only an issue when travelling alone entering the subway through unstaffed entrances.
However for many years kids with child tickets haven't been able to enter such entrances, and had to go to the main entrance. So what really has changed if kids don't have cards at all?
The contractor bids to meet the specifications developed by - in this case the Ministry of Transport and Metrolinx.
The issue then is perhaps that those writing the specifications may not have been the brightest!
Neutrino
Senior Member
What an epic clusterfuck. It's almost hilarious if it wasn't our money on the line.