Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

[TOareaFan]

ML may have contributed to this whole schmozzle, but I would put the onus on Bombardier to provide the car in true 'driveable' condition or it really isn't ready for testing.

- Paul

Again folks....it does not matter where you, or I or the Star's transport correspondent would put the onus....the contract will surely describe what delivering the pilot vehicle means.

 

[drum118]

Bombardier opens doors to reveal factory building Eglinton Crosstown LRT for Metrolinx

 

[rbt]

Bombardier opens doors to reveal factory building Eglinton Crosstown LRT for Metrolinx

A few specifics from Metrolinx:
"According to Aikins, the vehicle doesn’t qualify for first-article inspection because it can’t run under its own power, brake on its own, operate on emergency battery for more than an hour or meet other important criteria."

 

[Megaton327]

"According to Aikins, the vehicle doesn’t qualify for first-article inspection because it can’t run under its own power, brake on its own, operate on emergency battery for more than an hour or meet other important criteria."

That certainly has the sound of something specified in a contract.

 

[Tulse]

A few specifics from Metrolinx:
"According to Aikins, the vehicle doesn’t qualify for first-article inspection because it can’t run under its own power, brake on its own, operate on emergency battery for more than an hour or meet other important criteria."

But but, didn't he see that the doors open?! And the lights work?!

 

[Steve X]

In its application Bombardier accused Metrolinx of stalling on signing off on the prototype inspection so that the transit agency could break the contract and avoid paying for all 182 vehicles in the order.

The company alleged that Metrolinx now requires a smaller fleet because since the order was placed in 2010, one Transit City LRT line that the cars were to run on — the Scarborough RT replacement — has been cancelled while another – the Sheppard LRT — has no timeline for completion.

Exactly what I'm saying. BBD doesn't think ML will buy all 182 of them.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Exactly what I'm saying. BBD doesn't think ML will buy all 182 of them.

If that's the case, Metrolinx should send Toronto the bill for the canceled vehicles.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Bombardier opens doors to reveal factory building Eglinton Crosstown LRT for Metrolinx

Nice shots of the tram in there. The LRV looks quite a bit more spacious than TTC's LFLRV; I suppose because of the (slightly) wider body and fewer seats.

 

[crs1026]

Again, we would have to look at the specifics of the contract to know what the cancellation options are and what kind of penalties are specified.

One would think that just sending a cancellation notice would be more expedient than all this drama and legalese..... unless..... it's a very firm penalty. Like, say, the gas plant contract?

- Paul

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

If that's the case, Metrolinx should send Toronto the bill for the canceled vehicles.

or maybe ak bombardier to make the as flexity outlooks for the streetcar network instead or sell them back to toronto.

 

[steveintoronto]

MONTREAL — The Caisse de depot, which has a 30 per cent stake in Bombardier Transportation, hopes that a public spat with Ontario transportation agency Metrolinx can be resolved through negotiations instead of a drawn-out legal fight.
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MONTREAL — The Caisse de depot, which has a 30 per cent stake in Bombardier Transportation, hopes that a public spat with Ontario transportation agency Metrolinx can be resolved through negotiations instead of a drawn-out legal fight.

"We're very hopeful that that situation is resolved amicably," CEO Michael Sabia said Friday after the pension fund manager released its 2016 results.

Earlier this month, Bombardier Transportation asked an Ontario court to impose an injunction in response to Metrolinx's notice to terminate a $770-million contract for light rail vehicles in Toronto. The next court appearance is scheduled for March 21.

Metrolinx didn't respond directly to Sabia's comments, but referred to a statement last week by its chairman that called Bombardier's late delivery of a pilot vehicle as "deeply disappointing."

Sabia said he doesn't believe any harm to Bombardier's reputation will be permanent.

"One of the good things about black eyes is that they heal," he said.

The Caisse came to Bombardier's financial rescue last year by purchasing a 30 per cent stake in its railway division for US$1.5 billion. The investment is part of the complaint lodged by Brazil against Canadian subsidies to Bombardier before the World Trade Organization. Bombardier has said the trade challenge is without merit.

Ross Marowits, The Canadian Press

https://www.guelphtoday.com/nationa...-metrolinx-will-negotiate-a-settlement-545519

 

[dowlingm]

Crosstown West would soak up some LRVs.

 

[Megaton327]

Crosstown West would soak up some LRVs.

If it ever happens, and if it does, it won't be any time soon. 2030, maybe.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Crosstown West would soak up some LRVs.

Are Crosstown west and east Metrolinx project or are they city of Toronto projects?

 

[crs1026]

Are Crosstown west and east Metrolinx project or are they city of Toronto projects?

East is City (part of the Line 2 extension, in theory) but West is ML at the City's expense (part of ST ).

- Paul