Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

[robmausser]

I want the Eglinton LRV to be red to troll people into thinking it's a streetcar.

I hope eventually they come to their senses and repaint them red.

They are such a boring grey now.

 

[cplchanb]

You mean they are a modern LRV with the flexibility to run longer trains during peak demand periods then run shorter more demand-appropriate trains during less busy times....allowing the system to provide service through the peaks and valleys of demand times?

He problem is, the general public dont know know that. For all they know it's the same thing because they look the same. They really should've made the body distinctively different so they wouldn't confuse the two.

 

[hw621]

Cost consideration

 

[W. K. Lis]

So basically it is a streetcar.

In the 1950's, Chicago "using trucks, motors, control equipment, seats, windows and other components salvaged from Chicago's recently retired fleet of PCC streetcars" on its 6000 series of "L" rolling stock. See link.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Cost consideration

Parts can be interchangeable.

 

[raptor]

How many times are we going to have the same debate?
Yes, LRV and streetcars are different.
Yes, they are very similar and the average Joe would not distinguish between them.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

Yeah, pretty much. Very similar interiors and exteriors. About 100 millimetres wider, and 600 millimetres longer.

Of course, these can be put in into trains of multiple streetcars - but anyone trying to tell you a single vehicle is a train, is wrong!

Maybe you should tell that to all the systems who are purchasing EMUs around the world with open gangways. Those are a single vehicle yet also a train. The Flexity Freedom is NOT a streetcar. Anyone telling you otherwise is WRONG.

 

[Neutrino]

Or stick a sign on it reading "C'EST NE PAS UNE STREETCAR"

 

[Leo_Chan]

Maybe you should tell that to all the systems who are purchasing EMUs around the world with open gangways. Those are a single vehicle yet also a train. The Flexity Freedom is NOT a streetcar. Anyone telling you otherwise is WRONG.

The only way the TTC and Metrolinx could have lessened the Flexity Freedoms from being compared to a streetcar is not to buy the Flexity Outlooks in the first place.

 

[drum118]

First Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicle to be ready in November, Bombardier says

 

[W. K. Lis]

First Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicle to be ready in November, Bombardier says

Don't like the livery colours.

 

[nfitz]

Don't like the livery colours.

But will the livery be the same in delivery.

 

[Neutrino]

Who gives a damn about the livery if it does the job? Note that the Nova bus and LFLRV flashy livery do squat for those routes' actual performance. Signal priority, dedicated ROW and route management are infinitely more important for this route's (and others like it) success. For god's sake.

 

[Allandale25]

This twitter user posted a thread in response to the Star article: https://twitter.com/Canardiain/status/1057673009794813952

The second tweet comments that "2. Metrolinx hasn't provided the ATC/In-Cab Signalling component, which Ben's article even shows from yesterday (the infamous "hole in the dash")"

 

[crs1026]

Who gives a damn about the livery if it does the job? Note that the Nova bus and LFLRV flashy livery do squat for those routes' actual performance. Signal priority, dedicated ROW and route management are infinitely more important for this route's (and others like it) success. For god's sake.

Branding is overrated, I agree, but it can be useful - spotting the Zum bus or the GO bus at Square One in the sea of MiWay vehicles sure helps.

In the case of Crosstown, the big deal is whether the colour is red or not red. Blue, grey, avocado, whatever....doesn’t matter, the point is “this is not another TTC streetcar”. Even if TTC actually runs the service. Whereas red would say “this is a TTC streetcar” and the risk is that people will treat it as such. TTC included.

Grey may be hard to see coming, so it’s not my favourite, for safety and convenience reasons. But to your point - I agree, designing liveries is for hobbyists and expensive consultants. Has nothing to do with making transit perform.

- Paul