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Another big hold up is the frequent stops. With all door boarding and the slow subway-like manner that the street car doors operate, we need wider spacing to increase the speed of the actual vehicle. It’s amazing that we need to have stops at Bay, Yonge and Church. I’d remove 2 and keep just Yonge. No need for those other stops. It’s a short walk over from both of those stops. Toronto really needs to remove the many closely spaced stops on all its surface routes to increase speed.

Yes, treating King Streetcar more like an LRT with slightly more spread-out stops is a great idea. I believe Streetcar stops are roughly 250 meters apart, LRT 500-600, and subway 750-1000. Also perhaps the streetcar should operate like a subway stopping at all stops and automatically opening doors.
 
Has there been any planning or concepts on how a permanent King Street Right of Way will work? Or is everything still theoretical?

Nothing is official yet because City Council hasn’t made the decision to make the changes permanent but the next steps are for city planners to submit preliminary designs based on what was learned from the pilot, and then have city council vote to decide to keep the pilot rules in place until a permanent design can be chosen, debated and approved. Community consultations will happen and then a final design will be chosen and city council will then vote to build it.

All of this would generally take years — see John Street which has been in planning for a decade and is only now set to finally start construction — but I’m told that King Street is on a fast track because of the contentious debate on the project. The city doesn’t have long to prove that this street can work for everyone, including the complaining businesses. What they can’t do is keep this ugly temporary street in place for years.

I think we’ll see preliminary designs for the permanent street layout presented to city council in the Spring, voted on to keep the process moving, community meetings through the Spring and Summer, a final design presented in the Fall, voted on and then construction started in the Spring of 2020 through to the end of the year. A new King Street would be unveiled in Spring 2021 at the earliest. If John Tory plans to run again, I’m betting he wants this as far back in the rear view mirror as he can get it before Election 2022.
 
Another big hold up is the frequent stops. With all door boarding and the slow subway-like manner that the street car doors operate, we need wider spacing to increase the speed of the actual vehicle. It’s amazing that we need to have stops at Bay, Yonge and Church.
They already removed Victoria, York, and Simcoe. If you remove Bay, it's almost 600 metres from Yonge to University. Bay is an extremely heavily used stop. Church is 300 metres from Yonge.

A bigger issue are stops like Jack Layton, that is about 80 metres from the Gerrard stop. To put this in perspective, the front of the streetcar at the Jack Layton stop is 40 metres from Jack Layton Way, while the back of the streetcar at the Gerrard stop is only 10 metres from Jack Layton Way! Not surprisingly, many getting off the 506 in AM peak, walk the extra 50 metres from the back of where the 504 stops at the Gerrard stop, to the front of where it stops at the Jack Layton stop.

The Mount Stephen stop is also very close to both the Gerrard and Dundas stops.

Here's the Google Streetvew view from the centre of Gerrard Street looking north. The streetcar is stopped at the Jack Layton stop. 3 hydro poles to the south, you can see the Gerrard stop! The back door of the Flexity normally lines up with the next hydro pole, just past the fire hydrant.

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They already removed Victoria, York, and Simcoe. If you remove Bay, it's almost 600 metres from Yonge to University. Bay is an extremely heavily used stop. Church is 300 metres from Yonge.

A bigger issue are stops like Jack Layton, that is about 80 metres from the Gerrard stop. To put this in perspective, the front of the streetcar at the Jack Layton stop is 40 metres from Jack Layton Way, while the back of the streetcar at the Gerrard stop is only 10 metres from Jack Layton Way! Not surprisingly, many getting off the 506 in AM peak, walk the extra 50 metres from the back of where the 504 stops at the Gerrard stop, to the front of where it stops at the Jack Layton stop.

The Mount Stephen stop is also very close to both the Gerrard and Dundas stops.

Here's the Google Streetvew view from the centre of Gerrard Street looking north. The streetcar is stopped at the Jack Layton stop. 3 hydro poles to the south, you can see the Gerrard stop! The back door of the Flexity normally lines up with the next hydro pole, just past the fire hydrant.

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Yes, removing stops that are close together is definitely in the TTC's agenda, like you mentioned above. However, I think the Jack Layton Way stop is by a hospital, and because of which, if the TTC removes the stop, then they have to here to people in the hospital complaining that they have to walk an extra few hundred meters.
 
They already removed Victoria, York, and Simcoe. If you remove Bay, it's almost 600 metres from Yonge to University. Bay is an extremely heavily used stop. Church is 300 metres from Yonge.

A bigger issue are stops like Jack Layton, that is about 80 metres from the Gerrard stop. To put this in perspective, the front of the streetcar at the Jack Layton stop is 40 metres from Jack Layton Way, while the back of the streetcar at the Gerrard stop is only 10 metres from Jack Layton Way! Not surprisingly, many getting off the 506 in AM peak, walk the extra 50 metres from the back of where the 504 stops at the Gerrard stop, to the front of where it stops at the Jack Layton stop.

The Mount Stephen stop is also very close to both the Gerrard and Dundas stops.

Here's the Google Streetvew view from the centre of Gerrard Street looking north. The streetcar is stopped at the Jack Layton stop. 3 hydro poles to the south, you can see the Gerrard stop! The back door of the Flexity normally lines up with the next hydro pole, just past the fire hydrant.

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That is absurd. I had not noticed this and I go past it each day twice.
 
There’s a public meeting on Dec 4, 6:30pm at Metro Hall. While it’s unlikely that plans for the permanent street will be presented here, it’ll give us a good outline of what’s to come.
 
Yes, removing stops that are close together is definitely in the TTC's agenda, like you mentioned above. However, I think the Jack Layton Way stop is by a hospital, and because of which, if the TTC removes the stop, then they have to here to people in the hospital complaining that they have to walk an extra few hundred meters.
What do you mean a few hundred metres? It's literally 50 metres from the back of where the 30-metre long streetcar stops at the Gerrard stop, to the front of where the streetcar stops at Jack Layton. Two hydro poles. No exaggeration. Actually, I think it's only 48-metres, but I'm rounding!

If you walk down Jack Layton to the hospital, the back of the streetcar at the Gerrard stop is only about 5 metres from the sidewalk on Jack Layton Way. The walk from the Jack Layton stop to Jack Layton Way is actually about 3 times further!
 
What do you mean a few hundred metres? It's literally 50 metres from the back of where the 30-metre long streetcar stops at the Gerrard stop, to the front of where the streetcar stops at Jack Layton. Two hydro poles. No exaggeration. Actually, I think it's only 48-metres, but I'm rounding!

If you walk down Jack Layton to the hospital, the back of the streetcar at the Gerrard stop is only about 5 metres from the sidewalk on Jack Layton Way. The walk from the Jack Layton stop to Jack Layton Way is actually about 3 times further!

Well, never mind, but still, maybe TTC should look at stops like that.
 
Well, never mind, but still, maybe TTC should look at stops like that.

That's why we need a transit czar to overrule the objections of the local councillor. There are many, many bus and streetcar stops that could be removed, if only the councillors in the area don't overrule the TTC.
 
That's why we need a transit czar to overrule the objections of the local councillor. There are many, many bus and streetcar stops that could be removed, if only the councillors in the area don't overrule the TTC.

I can't tell if this post is sarcastic, but on the chance it's not, that is very much not going to be a thing the "transit tsar" could do.
 
Depends upon what "powers" city council gives him or her.

See link.

Whatever powers she or he might be given, the reality will remain that this person will be a bureaucrat, whose recommendations will rightfully be subject to the direction of elected officials.
 
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Meanwhile, in New York City, with former TTC GEO Andy Byford (now NYC Transit President).

From link.

Byford: Cameras Are A Lot Better Than Cops at Clearing Bus Lanes
The NYPD's meager week-long enforcement initiative won't make a dent for riders, the MTA's buses and subways chief says.


Andy Byford wants cars out of the way of the city’s buses — and enforcement cameras will do it better than cops.

Automated enforcement succeeds where police officers fail because cameras are “constantly present,” the NYC Transit president told reporters after Thursday’s MTA board meeting.

“It’s unsustainable to expect police to be at every intersection,” Byford said. “We’ve got to have something that’s much more present — that’s absolutely understood by New Yorkers: Don’t go in that bus lane. You will get filmed, you will get fined.”

Byford added that he wants to put enforcement cameras on every bus — something state law currently prohibits.

“You can’t rely on having a cop on every corner,” he said. “I would have forward-facing cameras on all the vehicles, that could recognize license plates.”

Byford’s comments come two days after Streetsblog reported on a tiny NYPD bus lane enforcement initiative that will last just one week. NYPD has increased its enforcement of blocking bus lanes, but to little avail, as Streetsblog also reported: Travel speeds remain more or less flat, having increased just .1 miles per hour, or 1.2 percent, on average between October 2017 and last month, according to MTA data [PDF – Page 68].

The NYPD’s latest initiative, which began on Monday, is a rather tepid step. On Thursday, the police department informed Streetsblog that the seven-day enforcement blitz would target “all bus stops and bus lanes,” a lofty goal, albeit only through Sunday.

After that brief spike in tickets, things will likely go back to normal. The initiative could send bus lane violators a strong message, or not.

As the city’s speed camera program has shown, automated enforcement would have a much larger impact. Despite being deployed in just 140 school locations, the speed cameras issued more than 4.6 million tickets between 2014 and this past summer. Over the same time period, the NYPD’s 38,000 officers dolled out just 519,372 speeding violations.

State law currently limits bus lane cameras to the city’s 16 Select Bus Service routes, a tiny fraction of the 252 routes citywide. Byford said expanding that authorization is on the MTA’s “shopping list” of requests for the state legislature.

It remains to be seen, however, how high a priority cameras will be, given how much Byford needs from the state legislature if he has any hope of fixing the cash-strapped agency and its crumbling stations, outdated equipment, and World War II-era signals.

“It’s certainly going to be one of our submissions to Albany,” he said. “This will be a very useful piece of legislation to have.”

Unfortunately for Byford, camera enforcement could be a political minefield. Three years ago, the SBS bus lane cameras passed the Assembly with just 79 votes in favor and 60 against, a narrow margin given the fact that two-thirds of the seats in the chamber are filled by New York City lawmakers.

Camera enforcement is needed for the King Street Transit Priority, and on our streetcars and buses.
 
^ Very interesting article.
State law currently limits bus lane cameras to the city’s 16 Select Bus Service routes, a tiny fraction of the 252 routes citywide. Byford said expanding that authorization is on the MTA’s “shopping list” of requests for the state legislature.
Even that is a massive amount more than City of Toronto has, which for the King Street Project, would be hugely helpful.

The City should have applied for that under the HTA PART XVI PILOT PROJECTS section when Wynne was still in:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08


Too late now...Ford lives up to his name.
 

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