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John Street Revitalization

Noooo way. As someone who lives in this area, I'd hate to see underpasses on those roads. Would make them feel even more like highways, and I think would result in increased speeds.

John would make a great pedestrianized street though. Especially on the weekends.

Richmond and Adelaide are already like highways. It would not have the cold feel of a typical 401 style underpass. More like other city underpasses for rail like the GO crossing at Sterling & Bloor West or Davenport & Caledonia Park. Long smooth dips and not rollercoaster style drops like Strachan so you would barely even realize that you just drove past John St.

This is all just a thought, not to be seriously taken into consideration so no one blast me for this post. Just ideas of my utopian view of Toronto.
 
For a gradual dip it would require a long approach from both sides of John Street. Richmond and Adelaide both have a lot of pedestrians as well and the underpass would make it very pedestrian unfriendly along these streets. By making one street a bit better, it would kill off two streets.
 
We should build underpasses so cars can get through for a few weekends (3?) of street festivals? The cost, both monetarily and to the area, would hardly be worth it.
 
Received this meeting notice from the City of Toronto:

Please plan to attend a public open house to learn more about the City's project seeking to improve the public realm of John Street.


Thursday, June 16, 2011
6:30 - 8:30 p.m.
Room 309, Metro Hall
55 John Street
Meeting Notice

This meeting will give you the chance to review the evaluation of various alternative designs for John Street and provide feedback on them. All comments received by June 30 will be considered by the Project Team in finalizing the project's recommendations and Environmental Study Report.
 
There was nothing in there about what they will do at Front Street. I remember reading that John Street was going to go all the way down to the lake and that the part around Skydome, would be signature area for pedestrians. That's what I want to see.
 
Interesting options.

I'm curious to see how this proceeds: in theory it'll be an excellent example of tax and spend socialist gravy that our portly panjandrum can publicly pummel. But if he kills this and then throws the entire waterfront into disarray by pulling the plug on Queens Quay, he'll probably be kissing the Red Tory, centrist and business community constituencies goodbye, guaranteeing himself to be a one-term wonder.

Could he be that obtuse, myopic and pig-headed? Quite possibly, yes.

But on the other hand, the reason I think this particular project might actually go ahead is that the so-called "Ford Nation" doesn't use John as a commuting artery, and therefore won't howl and throw round its baleful eyes if the lanes disappear. Meaning that it would be reckless and potentially immolating political theatre to kibosh it.

Apathy or ambivalence might very well allow this to go ahead.

And I don't think the impact of this project can be understated: it really is a huge game-changer for the entire district.
 
From what I saw in a very short time, bike count is real low. I would say within 10 minutes at max, no less than 20 cycles past me on John. Most were going north.

3 blocks of parked bike tied to everything in the range of 100+.

Who said cycles don't used this street??
 
Looks like the City has settled on a plan:

The City of Toronto has completed the John Street Corridor Improvements Environmental Assessment Study, which resulted in the following Recommended Design:
The narrowing of the road pavement in order to provide significantly wider sidewalks and boulevard areas as follows:

From four to three lanes between Front Street and Wellington Street;
From four to two lanes between Wellington Street and Adelaide Street;
From three lanes to two lanes between Adelaide Street and Queen Street;

Exclusive right turning lanes northbound at Adelaide Street West and at Wellington Street West and a southbound left turn lane at Wellington Street West in order to maintain an adequate level of traffic service;

A continuous "mountable" curb on both sides of the street to enable a seamless transition into a pedestrian-only space for events, for vehicles to mount the flexible boulevard for deliveries or drop-offs, and to accommodate additional vehicular and cycling manoeuvring on either side of the road in emergencies;

The widening of the east side boulevard between Front Street West and Stephanie Street to provide a 2.5 metre wide flexible space (defined by bollards) to accommodate deliveries and, when not used for vehicular loading/unloading, for pedestrians; and

The provision of urban design elements which consist of a double row of trees where feasible, removable bollards, infrastructure to support special events and distinctive paving materials and patterns.

For further details, see the January 25, 2012 staff report, which includes imagery of the recommended design on pages 16 and 17.
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/pw/bgrd/backgroundfile-44944.pdf
 

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