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GO Transit: Union Station Shed Replacement & Track Upgrades (Zeidler)

Inevitably some quarters will be snivelling: "Oh, she's just trying to milk it for all it's worth"...and they'd be wrong, very wrong. That never should have happened, and the amount of scaling/spalling that pics showed after it "was made safe" indicates to me that there's slack oversight, if any at all, by supervisors and execs. The fact that security weren't wearing hard hats right under the area affected further indicates slack/lax oversight. WTF? A chunk large enough to kill comes falling down (victim was damn lucky, albeit she's not out of the woods yet) and they send in security to stand under it with felt hats on?

I wonder if we'll ever read the real story behind this? If this was a workplace accident, there would be in inquiry. But since it was the public, those rules don't apply.

Think I'm being hyperbolic? Look up "eyeglass regulations in Ontario"...and "unbreakable lenses". I'll detail further later. There are no regs for the public for eyeglass safety in Ontario. There are for workers.

I've had discussions with the
Ontario Association of Optometrists on this as it relates to mandating helmets for cyclists. I stopped the Cunningham Bill in the Legislature by pointing out that mandating the wearing of a helmet when wearing glasses puts the Province completely liable to damage to the eyes resulting from that. ( https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/campaign.html )

How does that happen? If those "unbreakable" lens glasses don't fly off the face in an accident, they're liable to break razor sharp into the eyeballs. Happened to me, on my forehead, they dug them out. Awful? Not really, just stitches, but had I been wearing a helmet, I'd most likely be minus an eye.

There is no such thing as "unbreakable lens" spec in Ontario, except for workers under Occupational Safety regulations. Am I ranting? Perhaps, but I'm braced for the stream of lame excuses...to the point of "Well if she wasn't walking under that, it wouldn't have happened, it's her fault". Cue the TorSun...

Btw: The Optometrists and associated professional eyesight agencies are *still* trying to get specs mandated in this province, over twenty years since they first made a presentation on the matter to legislators.
 
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This week I realized just how dangerous and narrow the stairs to the trains are.

Surprisingly I think this was the first time I saw a crowd going up and a crowd coming down. There was no room, and frequently both sides would stop due to jams at the top and bottom.

I love how our government built us a multi-billion dollar death trap.
 
This week I realized just how dangerous and narrow the stairs to the trains are.

Surprisingly I think this was the first time I saw a crowd going up and a crowd coming down. There was no room, and frequently both sides would stop due to jams at the top and bottom.

I love how our government built us a multi-billion dollar death trap.

The winner has got to be when tell you they take safety seriously. I think I will take some Victory Gin with that doublespeak. Nevermind the narrow staircases - adding the handle bars along the centre line of the wider staircases in effect turned it into two narrow ones where both sides experiences the same problem with the crossflow. WTF? Whoever handles circulation design at the station should be (metaphorically) drawn and quartered.

AoD
 
The winner has got to be when tell you they take safety seriously. Nevermind the narrow staircases - adding the handle bars along the centre line of the wider staircases in effect turned it into two narrow ones where both sides experiences the same problem with the crossflow. WTF? Whoever handle circulation at the station should be (metaphorically) drawn and quartered.

AoD
Honestly... I have no faith in Metrolinx. They should be dissolved and a new organization built in its place - maybe one with a provincial mandate to deliver transit and transit infrastructure.

This is the agency, that despite all that it needs to do, chose to instead build garages and rebrand TWICE.

Rebrandings cost A LOT OF MONEY - let me tell you from experience.
 
Honestly... I have no faith in Metrolinx. They should be dissolved and a new organization built in its place - maybe one with a provincial mandate to deliver transit and transit infrastructure.

This is the agency, that despite all that it needs to do, chose to instead build garages and rebrand TWICE.

Rebrandings cost A LOT OF MONEY - let me tell you from experience.

Changing organizations is the easiest way to show that one is doing something without actually doing anything. That's not the correct route. What I want is auditing the system on the ground for weaknesses and setting up tiger teams to deal with them.

And if you think this is bad - wait till you get RER and full buildout of the surrounding areas.

AoD
 
Since we are back on the topic of criticizing Metrolinx, just look at each and every Board meeting agenda, where it's evident their top priorities are customer satisfaction and customer experience. NOT transit expansion and safety.
 
Since we are back on the topic of criticizing Metrolinx, just look at each and every Board meeting agenda, where it's evident their top priorities are customer satisfaction and customer experience. NOT transit expansion and safety.

Because we look like satisfied customers happy about the customer experience :rolleyes:

AoD
 
This week I realized just how dangerous and narrow the stairs to the trains are.

Surprisingly I think this was the first time I saw a crowd going up and a crowd coming down. There was no room, and frequently both sides would stop due to jams at the top and bottom.

I love how our government built us a multi-billion dollar death trap.
Thank you for the reminder! I'm carrying a tape measure in my back pack to measure the treadle length and rise of the steps in question. Hunch? They meet the code requirements *in that respect* but something else is terribly wrong with them. I almost fall down them carrying a bike, and I'm usually a very adept guy with the machine on steps. Something's not right with them.

A couple of posters have now pointed that out. Someone is going to come to serious grief on them soon, if not already and it's been hushed.
 
Thank you for the reminder! I'm carrying a tape measure in my back pack to measure the treadle length and rise of the steps in question. Hunch? They meet the code requirements *in that respect* but something else is terribly wrong with them. I almost fall down them carrying a bike, and I'm usually a very adept guy with the machine on steps. Something's not right with them.

A couple of posters have now pointed that out. Someone is going to come to serious grief on them soon, if not already and it's been hushed.

They're probably not ergnomical - you can tell by how people tend to slow down more than usual walking up them; and slow at using them in general. Another prominent example of a similar problem are the stairs down to Dundas subway station at Dundas Square.

AoD
 
Honestly... I have no faith in Metrolinx. They should be dissolved and a new organization built in its place - maybe one with a provincial mandate to deliver transit and transit infrastructure.

This is the agency, that despite all that it needs to do, chose to instead build garages and rebrand TWICE.

Rebrandings cost A LOT OF MONEY - let me tell you from experience.

How is tearing down an organization and replacing it with an extremely similar mandate and mostly the same staff anything but a rebranding exercise? You can change a single line of legislation and give Metrolinx a mandate over the entire province.


That said, MTO + GO Transit were perfectly reasonable vehicles to do all the work Metrolinx was given. MTO needed a bit of a kick to get out of their highways only mode, not a peer entity under the same minister.
 
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Since we are back on the topic of criticizing Metrolinx, just look at each and every Board meeting agenda, where it's evident their top priorities are customer satisfaction and customer experience. NOT transit expansion and safety.

Frankly, expansion is just solving future customer satisfaction issues (overcrowding).

If the focus was the other direction, and they were putting most resources into massive expansion plans while 80% of current trains were cancelled or quite late every single day (perhaps regular derailments), we'd likely be pretty damn disappointed.
 
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How is tearing down an organization and replacing it with an extremely similar mandate and mostly the same staff anything but a rebranding exercise? You can change a single line of legislation and give Metrolinx a mandate over the entire province.


That said, MTO + GO Transit were perfectly reasonable vehicles to do all the work Metrolinx was given. MTO needed a bit of a kick to get out of their highways only mode, not a peer entity under the same minister.
I'm thinking mass layoffs - pigs at the trough over at Metrolinx...

What was it - 15 folks to do PR? The Bank I work for has less, and we are far more client facing and subject to constant media/public scrutiny.
 
They're probably not ergnomical - you can tell by how people tend to slow down more than usual walking up them; and slow at using them in general. Another prominent example of a similar problem are the stairs down to Dundas subway station at Dundas Square.

AoD
You're reading my experiences! Didn't make it down to Union with Big Black Lab today, but did hit King Street and photographed a glaring by-law offence for the King Pilot Project, sidewalk furniture over twice the height allowed by the By-Law (almost all the overheight vegetation and structures have now been removed for end of season). I'll post in the King string.

But yes, going up and down stairs on the older Yonge Stations (and Dupont station) was an absolute 'deja-vu' moment for what the Union steps are: *Three generations out of date*. And if the TTC built their steps like that now, there'd be a hell of a ruckus.

So how is ML getting away with it at Union?

I'm now travelling with tape measure in backpack, I will take measurements, but more than ever, convinced it isn't just the basic formula that's at fault:
The general rule (in the US) is 7-11 (a 7 inch rise and 11 inch run). More exactly, no more than 7 3/4 inches for the riser (vertical) and a minimum of 10 inches for the tread (horizontal or step).
Is there a standard height and depth for stairs?

And yet the Ontario Building Code still states:
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http://www.buildingcode.online/1314.html

It's too simple....there's a massive factor missing. We all see it, but can't define it. I'm sure someone has...I'm still digging.
 

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It's too simple.
First Google hit when questioning the above:
Increasing stair depth could save lives: researchers

Stairways - Fall Prevention tips by the Cdn Centre for Occupational Health and Safety
PHOTOS


Dr. Geoff Fernie, research institute director and the Toronto Rehab Foundation, demonstrates how easily a person could lose their footing on steps with a standard minimum 21-centimetre (or 8.25 inch) depth.



Dr. Alison Novak demonstrating on a fall on a staircase with a standard tread depth.



Dr. Geoff Fernie with Dr. Alison Novak of the Toronto Rehabilitation Institute demonstrate safer stairs.



Dr. Geoff Fernie demonstrates a more secure footing on a step with a tread of 25 centimetres (10 inches)

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Wednesday, December 9, 2015 10:00PM EST
Last Updated Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:50PM EST

It’s a small step towards changing the way homes are built, but researchers hope it’s one that could help save hundreds of lives every year.

For decades, the National Building Code of Canada has suggested that stairs need to be a minimum of 21 centimetres (or 8 1/4 inches) when it comes to the treads.

But on average, every day in Canada, nearly one person dies falling on a set of stairs, and more than 270 people end up in the hospital, according to the Canadian Public Health Association. And elderly people make up two-thirds of those cases.

A study by the charity organization SmartRisk estimated that treating the resulting trauma, as well hospitalization and emergency room visits, cost the health care system $580 million in 2012.

Now, researchers from the Toronto Rehabilitation Institute say that increasing the depth on steps by just five centimetres (or 2 inches) increases foot stability, and significantly lowers the risk of falling.

"We estimate 13,000 falls due to stairs will be reduced, and 39 deaths will be prevented in the first five years of its implementation," said Toronto Rehabilitation Institute scientist Alison Novak.

Geoff Fernie, director of research at the hospital, said the problem is that most stairs aren't deep enough to adequately support the average adult foot.

"When you step onto a step, you expect it to be at least as long as a foot," he said.

"If half of your foot is on the front, it is easy for your foot to slip in front and tumble forward."

Following a review, the National Building Code of Canada updated its standards for stairs in December.

Rick Gratton, a senior development manager at Brookfield Residential in Calgary, has already started building homes that meet those new criteria, with stairs that are at least 25 centimetres deep.

"People take their stairs for granted," he said.

"A 10-inch (or 25-centimetre run) ... makes for more comfortable, safer stairs. No doubt about that."

Some groups, however, go further, including the Canadian Mortgage Housing Corporation which advocates for a tread depth no shorter than 28 centimeters (or 11 inches).

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Source: Canadian Mortgage Housing Corporation

However, some builders have objected to the changes, saying deeper stairs would require a bigger hole to accommodate the staircase, taking space away from other parts of the home.

The National Building Code of Canada also has no direct authority over construction, which falls under provincial jurisdiction.

Dr. Alison Novak video on how stair design can reduce falls:
(See link for videos and more pics)


With a report from CTV medical specialist Avis Favaro and producer Elizabeth St. Philip
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/increasing-stair-depth-could-save-lives-researchers-1.2693664

Bingo! Still Googling....they've exactly caught my impression as to how the heel of the shoe catches on the edge of the tread....

Addendum: The absolute danger? In a panic, it won't be just one person falling...it will be hundreds...
 
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