T3G
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Phew. I was worried something might happen in this country that isn't a complete shambles.
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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Sauga89
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This could go in a few different threads but I'll put it here. cc @Northern Light
BRIEF: GO Transit to Expand Service to Six Nations
The Ontario Government is proposing to amend the Metrolinx Act to expand the GO Transit service area to include the Six Nations of the Grand River and Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation reserves.www.thepublicrecord.ca
So, this article here from August says the 15 GO bus extension will run three times a day, with four stops, as a pilot project. It says that it could begin as soon as December, but that they might wait until April when the weather is better. It says Metrolinx has (as of August), already begun testing the route. It also says that there will be stops in Brantford and Hamilton, so it doesn't look like there will be a stop at Caledonia or the Hamilton airport.
There are a couple other articles about it here and here. It seems a transportation study was done in the last couple years, and this is one of the results of that study.
nfitz
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That's going to be a long trip if it first has to go to Brantford, and then backtrack through the reserve all the way to 6. A bit second-class I think.
Though it would provide service between the reserve and Brantford - though I don't know why such services aren't regional responsibility.
Though it would provide service between the reserve and Brantford - though I don't know why such services aren't regional responsibility.
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The City of Brantford – which has a fixed-route bus system – does not directly border Six Nations, the County of Brant does. There’s no regional government; some sort of arrangement with Six Nations, Brant County, and Brantford is necessary. It can be done – Peterborough, Selwyn, and Curve Lake First Nation have done it. But getting GO Transit involved, you can skip all that.
Yeah, it’s be a long trip (without a toilet) to Hamilton, especially if having to then transfer to go downtown or one of the general hospitals. I’d like to see a GO route serving Six Nations, Caledonia and Hamilton Airport.
Fritter
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If these rumours are true, I wonder if that factored into Verster's decision to jump ship as well?
Mind_the_gap
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Kind of surprised @micheal_can didn't reply to this... GOVA (Sudbury): "101 Lively" runs right into Atikameksheng Anishnawbek First Nation every two hours at worst.
Allandale25
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This person says that this was the email sent to Alstom staff on Christmas Eve which I don't think has been posted here but has been generally discussed.
Metroscapes
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This may be a long trip between Six Nations and Hamilton / Aldershot, but remember that this is in consultation with Six Nations. It may be possible that going to Brantford is a higher priority; it is the home of their other reserve lands (Glebe Farm) and the Woodland Cultural Centre (former Indian Residential School turned art gallery, museum and library, and possibly home to undiscovered grave sites). There may be other important economic, social and cultural places for Haudenosaunee people that are more important than the GTA.
In fact, I'm shocked that Toronto-centred GO Transit is not running the shortest route. That said, if there is a desire to do that, service via Caledonia and Hamilton Airport would be a great side benefit for others.
nfitz
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By regional, I'm not meaning within or to neighbouring third orders of government. I'm using the term in the more general sense. This is the same problem that's plagued St. Thomas-London service. It's a no brainer to have a regular direct link between the two; but it's stymied by dealing with two different govvernments.
Sauga89
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I wonder if they could run service in a big loop and do both? Maybe they could have three buses per day go from Hamilton or Aldershot to Brantford, and then come back through Ohsweken, Caledonia, and the Hamilton airport. Then three buses could go the other direction to Brantford via Caledonia and Ohsweken, before returning to Hamilton or Aldershot. That would give the reserve a more direct service to Toronto while still providing service to Brantford. It would also provide six buses per day to Hamilton/Aldershot, instead of three (Though six buses might exceed demand for all I know).
It doesn't look like that's the plan though, otherwise I imagine Caledonia would have been added to GO's service area along with the reserve.
Allandale25
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sixrings
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“Situation” makes it sound negative. Who doesn’t love a train horn?!!!
crs1026
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I don't have any incidents to report, but my generic answer would be, "Which one?"
Busy crossing on curve with poor sight lines, vs many nearby residences.
- Paul
crs1026
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I would add, there's a lot of wisdom applicable here from the Vision Zero road safety philosophy..... namely, that motorists draw a lot of inferences from road configuration, and this determines how they drive.
In the case of Eureka, the crossing has been heavily camouflaged in the interest of making it look like an insignificant branch line crossing that has only a few tiny slow trains that stop easily and don't interfere with the tony and leafy residential surroundings. Which is very much at odds with the reality - ie it's a heavily trafficed mainline crossing that may soon see 15 minute 2WAD headways run by full size heavy trains that are running at full permissible track speed (albeit thru a restrictive curve).
If I were the regulator, I would be cutting back bushes and doing other thing that might look stark and nasty but would make the crossing more intimidating to motorists.
And if I were a GO engineer, I would be leaning on the horn for every moving object and squirrel I encounter, whistle ban or not.
- Paûl
In the case of Eureka, the crossing has been heavily camouflaged in the interest of making it look like an insignificant branch line crossing that has only a few tiny slow trains that stop easily and don't interfere with the tony and leafy residential surroundings. Which is very much at odds with the reality - ie it's a heavily trafficed mainline crossing that may soon see 15 minute 2WAD headways run by full size heavy trains that are running at full permissible track speed (albeit thru a restrictive curve).
If I were the regulator, I would be cutting back bushes and doing other thing that might look stark and nasty but would make the crossing more intimidating to motorists.
And if I were a GO engineer, I would be leaning on the horn for every moving object and squirrel I encounter, whistle ban or not.
- Paûl