GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[Bordercollie]

Not to mention poorer doors that don't need to open/shut as frequently, they whistle like crazy on the highway. Guelph Transit runs a route using NOVA LFS briefly on Highway 6, it would not be good doing that on a longer run.

If baggage is the main issue, I would question how often they carry passengers needing it. Maybe during weekends before/after holidays when university students go home, but otherwise, it seems rarer these days beyond a backpack.

Can you not get plug style door's?

 

[T3G]

Better seats would help. But low floor buses in general have a hard ride. The other issue is maintaining highway speed. They would need tweak the gearing.

If the low floor is a factor, I don't think it's a significant one. Not all LF buses are created equal, with the exception of a few basket cases the Orion VIIs provide a very good ride despite their advanced age, much more so than the far younger Novas. So do York Region's Van Hools. And for a more exotic example, I have had the pleasure of riding 14 year old Mercedes-Benz CapaCity artics in Bratislava which despite their age also ride very smoothly.

The LFS just has a very poor suspension. They are not the only ones, the GO double deckers are no better. The low floor section, between its ride quality and lack of sound insulation, is horrendous. So to that end, you would need far better seats than the current commuter seats on GO buses if you wanted a suburban LFS to provide anything faintly resembling a comfortable ride.

 

[reaperexpress]

I certainly concur that dedicated passing tracks are not coming to every GO station in the system, or even most, in the near to medium term. But I think its reasonable enough to imagine that can come to more stations, and strategic choices may be deliverable and inordinately beneficial, indeed for reasons other than passenger safety as well.

All recent station designs I've seen have included space for either a passing track (Downsview Park, Rutherford, Maple, etc.) or a gauntlet track on one side (Milliken, Agincourt, etc.). This is purely to accommodate wide freight trains once the platforms are raised for level boarding. Express trains would not necessarily use the passing track, and would definitely not use the gauntlet track since it would be designed for a low speed.

A simpler but very constraining patch would be to impose speed restrictions on every non stopping train at platforms.... but that would wreak havoc on scheduling and dispatching.

My understanding is that they've already implemented speed restrictions on the platform tracks at Exhibition due to it regularly exceeding the recommended crowding levels. That's one of only two station in the network that already have two express tracks without platforms, though construction is already underway to add platforms on those tracks. For the record, the other station with two express tracks is Etobicoke North. Its replacement station is also planned to have platforms on all tracks.

Humber Bay (Park Lawn) station is planned to have side platforms with two express tracks in the centre. I've always thought that this same arrangment should have been included in Long Branch station's current upgrade works, instead of having platforms on the express track even though express trains don't stop at Long Branch.

How I would have rebuilt Long Branch: (Existing platform in grey, new south platform in beige)

Some are wooden, and nobody responds well to being corrected, but some are real people people.....and as someone who spends their Saturdays (as a volunteer) asking people to stand behind a yellow line, there is nothing like a smile and a personal connection to get someone's attention.

I think part of the issue is that the yellow line is too close for full-speed trains. I was at Rouge Hill and a parent was telling their kid to stay behind the yellow line, and I commented that they shouldn't even be getting close to the yellow line let alone crossing it, since I knew there was going to be an express train passing through in a few minutes. Sure enough they were figuratively blown away by how fast that train passed through (it was around 130 km/h) and the strong winds that accompanied it. Long Branch is even faster - in the absence of construction trains regularly blast through there at 150 km/h.

Here's a clip of an express train going 148 km/h through Appleby station, just imagine if you were standing right next to the yellow line:

While waiting for a train at Baie D'Urfé Exo station a couple weeks ago there was a guy on his phone right next to the tracks (but still outside of the yellow line) so I told him 'attention le train arrive' and he just looked at me and rolled his eyes, before staring back at his phone as the train pulled in maybe 50 cm in front of his nose. Though he was outside of the yellow line, he was easily close enough to make locomotive's operator nervous.

 

[Northern Light]

Over at CPTDB I saw this post, this morning:

I don't know if @smallspy might be able to shed any light on this......but it certainly seems peculiar to me to run this train as only six cars.

 

[Allandale25]

^ apparently the CSA said on the PA that people should complain on social media. Someone also said that the decision may have been made because it's getting colder out so they assumed a man would go down.

 

[ShonTron]

The weekend after Thanksgiving is often the best Fall weekend. It certainly is this year. This is ridiculous.

 

[Allandale25]

^ One more picture from the same account above.

 

[Northern Light]

^ apparently the CSA said on the PA that people should complain on social media. Someone also said that the decision may have been made because it's getting colder out so they assumed a man would go down.

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This is a run that should really be aiming for everyone seated. Two hours standing isn't remotely reasonable.

The post above notes that this is one car lighter than normal, but the crowding suggests this should be nothing less than an L10, and an L12 would not be unreasonable.

 

[Allandale25]

^ further tweet was made where the author was corrected. Apparently it's only a six pack.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Maybe they need to reorganize Mlinx again /s.

AoD

 

[Bojaxs]

Maybe they had no MP locomotives available for the Niagara run, and had to resort to using the F59?

Don't they usually use the F59's for the Niagara runs?

 

[reaperexpress]

This is a run that should really be aiming for everyone seated. Two hours standing isn't remotely reasonable.

That is already the loading standard. Something evidently went very wrong here, there should obviously not have been a 6 coach train on a weekend morning departure from Toronto to Niagara Falls .

The post above notes that this is one car lighter than normal, but the crowding suggests this should be nothing less than an L10, and an L12 would not be unreasonable.

Yeah it was not one coach shorter than normal, it was 6 coaches shorter than normal

 

[Allandale25]

^ apparently the CSA said on the PA that people should complain on social media. Someone also said that the decision may have been made because it's getting colder out so they assumed a man would go down.

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[Northern Light]

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They had to know they had a serious problem this morning..........it should have been remedied by mid-day..........either use the spare board and take an extra set out..........use layover time to add to the consist..........

 

[Richard White]

They had to know they had a serious problem this morning..........it should have been remedied by mid-day..........either use the spare board and take an extra set out..........use layover time to add to the consist..........

The Niagara services have always been prone to overcrowding.

@smallspy Dan, is there any operational reason you know of that these services always have issues? I am starting to wonder if people just don't like the work for some reason (runtime, etc).

As I said many times before, they need to stop subsidizing the cost to Niagara Falls with weekend passes, WEGO packages, etc. If people had to pay the true cost of this journey it would not be as packed.

When they first started this service in 2015 it was just over $20.00 each way for a total of $40.00 or so return. Back then the trains were not as packed because of the high cost.

Now you can get a $10 weekend pass to go to Niagara and back again. As a result the trains are overloaded to the point where it is a borderline safety hazard.

I get that this is primarily a tourism driven service but they need to match the prices of Megabus, Flixbus etc if they want to bring things like this under control.