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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

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As far as I'm aware the rail lines in Collingwood and Orillia are derelict.

I suspect that the lines heading into Midland may be similarly abandoned.

In any case, repairs to and perhaps even new installation of tracks may be required to facilitate this.

I was not thinking rail, but the Bus service GO has. Kind of a way to build the demand for rail if there ever is enough for it.
 
The 2041 RTP builds on municipal TMPs and officialplans (OPs) and integrates them into a coherent andlogical plan for the whole region. Strong municipalleadership provides a foundation for some of the regionwide approaches in this plan, and remains crucial tothe success of these approaches.

We already have many other 2051 year plans. I don't see a problem with incorporating the 2041 plan and getting an update. Another 25 year plan. And Doug Ford would've been in office for 8 years. They'll get to influence this plan.
 
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We already have many other 2051 year plans. I don't see a problem with incorporating the 2041 plan and getting an update. Another 25 year plan. And Doug Ford would've been in office for 8 years. They'll get to influence this plan.
In any case, it is good to review and update master plans like this. First, Metrolinx has been clear they re-examine it every five years. Second, as you have said, the RTP is made up of municipal TMPs, so really this is an exercise in centralization. Why is this valuable? Well, many of those TMPs have only been updated in the last 5 years, most of which are planning to the 2051 horizon (they may actually be required to). Some TMPs are out, some are not. York Region for instance has their 2051 TMP, but Halton is currently working on updating their 2031 TMP. So to reiterate, we are centralizing the most up-to-date TMPs, but also factoring in the changes at Metrolinx/their approach given their growing experience, in our government, and after COVID; travel patterns have undoubtedly changed, and I have seen the data for some places- it exists- but it won't be public until the TTS for 2023 is released. Furthermore, growth projections will likely be adjusted, which ways I don't know. Really we are fine-tuning the same document since the Big Move.
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I do wish government agencies/depts of all stripes would cut down on the 'Consultant Enrichment Program'.

The reality, in this case, is that the 2041 plan is nowhere near delivered.

There is no imminent need to add to the shopping list.

ROWs can and should be protected for; but you don't need a consultant for that, you need an MZO.

There are too many plans and strategies and too few $$$ to deliver them.

That said, I don't mind an 'update/refresh' of the existing plan, IF, there's real movement behind the scenes to add, remove, or alter in scope one or more projects.

But that's an Mx/Political decision over which a consultant drawing fanciful lines has no control.

Just have the-inhouse staff add or delete some lines/dots on a map as required, produce a 2-page explainer as to what was changed and move on.

Official Plans generally have a lifespan of about 30 years, and serious plans for Transit or Parks, or much of anything else should be about the same. No need to reinvent the wheel for six or seven figures every decade.

Something that is going to clearly be in the 2051 RTP that was not in the 2041 version is the "interregional LRT" ie, the 403-407/OL Light Metro. I also anticipate a trimming of the 'priority bus corridors' because nothing has happened on any of them to date (from Metrolinx) afaik, and the Ford Government has been going big or going home- they will likely consolidate into bigger projects, which is actually what I'd want to see from Metrolinx and an RTP in general. Meddling with smaller stuff is pointless if they won't actually do anything, and with 3 LRTs open by the time the RTP is done, we might know if we should be planning for more and where. Still, methodologies almost seem fishy when corridors like Dufferin clearly need significant enhancement but is merely a priority bus corridor. I've seen some of the scorecard breakdowns in reports, but it Isn't really showing a table of data or anything, just the conclusions the planners/consultants got to with that data. This corridor approach seems to be quite lacking in identifying areas of high demand; a new piece of RT might be viable or prudent somewhere, but we won't know if there's a bunch of parallel bus corridors handling that demand, which makes the status quo look fine- until it isn't. The RL/OL is an example of this- we're building it at the twelfth hour. I'm thinking something like directional flows- if x amount of people are cumulatively commuting to say, Kipling to get downtown from Mississauga on five corridors, then the math works out differently than if we just look at Dundas alone, for instance.

Side note, I really don't understand why most agencies don't publish their monthly ridership reports. These break down R/C ratios, ridership, boardings/km, and much more by route, and I don't see how they are worthy of being confidential or even negligible. Yes, anyone can ask for it, but it'd be a lot easier for the public to understand decisions being made in things like the RTP/TMPs if we could see all the relevant numbers.
 
I was not thinking rail, but the Bus service GO has. Kind of a way to build the demand for rail if there ever is enough for it.
Of the three, only Orillia is served by ONR bus. The County's 'Linx' bus system serves C'Wood and Midland (and Orillia) along with other areas of the County with small capacity buses. It is intended to facilitate inter-community travel, not as an extension of longer distance commuter travel. In-town stops are are at college campuses, hospitals, etc. not GO/ONR stops. The service is in it fledgling year; service is pretty basic but it is slowly expanding.
 
Of the three, only Orillia is served by ONR bus. The County's 'Linx' bus system serves C'Wood and Midland (and Orillia) along with other areas of the County with small capacity buses. It is intended to facilitate inter-community travel, not as an extension of longer distance commuter travel. In-town stops are are at college campuses, hospitals, etc. not GO/ONR stops. The service is in it fledgling year; service is pretty basic but it is slowly expanding.

There are two direct GO-Linx transfers: the Alliston-Beeton route to Bradford GO, and the Wasaga Beach-Stayner route at Allandale Waterfront. I’ve taken three of the six Linx routes.

Only the Collingwood-Wasaga Beach bus runs weekends, and there’s no fare integration between Barrie Transit, Linx, and GO.

 
There are two direct GO-Linx transfers: the Alliston-Beeton route to Bradford GO, and the Wasaga Beach-Stayner route at Allandale Waterfront. I’ve taken three of the six Linx routes.

Only the Collingwood-Wasaga Beach bus runs weekends, and there’s no fare integration between Barrie Transit, Linx, and GO.

It's always struck me as a missed opportunity that the Barrie-Midland and Barrie-Orillia routes terminate at Georgian College on the edge of Barrie rather than continuing to Allandale Waterfront Station via downtown. Of course extending the routes would increase operating costs, but you'd think that they'd make that back from extra ridership heading to/from downtown Barrie as well as connecting to other transit routes at Barrie Terminal or Allandale Waterfront.
 
It's always struck me as a missed opportunity that the Barrie-Midland and Barrie-Orillia routes terminate at Georgian College on the edge of Barrie rather than continuing to Allandale Waterfront Station via downtown. Of course extending the routes would increase operating costs, but you'd think that they'd make that back from extra ridership heading to/from downtown Barrie as well as connecting to other transit routes at Barrie Terminal or Allandale Waterfront.

Sounds like this could be a future expansion of the service.
 
It's always struck me as a missed opportunity that the Barrie-Midland and Barrie-Orillia routes terminate at Georgian College on the edge of Barrie rather than continuing to Allandale Waterfront Station via downtown. Of course extending the routes would increase operating costs, but you'd think that they'd make that back from extra ridership heading to/from downtown Barrie as well as connecting to other transit routes at Barrie Terminal or Allandale Waterfront.
Perhaps. Maybe in the future as the system expands and they grow ridership (and the buses get larger). They do actually connect with several Barrie Transit routes that pass through both Georgian College and RVH. The initial demand was for people to be able to go to school and connect with the regional health centre.
 
Perhaps. Maybe in the future as the system expands and they grow ridership (and the buses get larger). They do actually connect with several Barrie Transit routes that pass through both Georgian College and RVH. The initial demand was for people to be able to go to school and connect with the regional health centre.

There’s pretty decent Barrie Transit service between Downtown/Allandale and Georgian/RVH. Direct, limited stop routes too. The only thing needed is service/fare integration
 
There’s pretty decent Barrie Transit service between Downtown/Allandale and Georgian/RVH. Direct, limited stop routes too. The only thing needed is service/fare integration
I remember Barrie Transit "accepted" presto, by letting you get on for free if you said you were going to the go station.

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They should rollout Presto right across Ontario for all government transit agencies that are provincial or municipal.
We're probably way off the thread topic but, whatever.

I don't know much about Presto but I get the sense that a lot of transit agencies wouldn't be lining up for it, at least in its initial stages. Like many other government database systems that have been developed in-house (I was involved in one of them), even if it is a dog, the government will use it to justify the development costs.

Some transit agencies have fairly basic service and operating infrastructure, and I imagine would need some convincing to buy into Presto as an alternative to tossing a Twonie at Bob the driver or some kind of local pass. What is the benefit to them? Even if they more high-tech, what does it offer over a debit/credit card reader on the bus? I imagine buying into Presto has costs in relation to both front-end and back-end hardware and software as well as some type of per-transaction cost.

It might have some benefits if the transit service is integrated with GO or another local service, but there would need to be actually integration, not just 'the GO bus stops in town once a day' type of thing to be of any benefit. Even at that, I imagine municipalities such as Kingston and Brockville might see more benefit in integrating with whatever system VIA uses.

ONTC doesn't use on their buses or the PBE. For non-commuter types of service that serve remote communities and flag stops that might have little to no connectivity, I doubt it would work. I doubt they will adopt it for the Northlander. Again, other that, what, two proposed station stops in the GTA, what's the benefit?
 

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