Krypto98
Active Member
New Control location "Conti" went in to service at Mile 48.5 Guelph sub. This is just east of the current Guelph GO station
|
|
|
GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
- Thread starter drum118
- Start date
Metroscapes
Active Member
emphurent
Active Member
Didn't realise the dividers were being removed, glad to have the armrest back (or the ability to move it).
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Hallelujah!
WB62
Senior Member
This might be of interest to this thread: https://www.blogto.com/city/2023/09/high-school-student-visualizes-future-toronto-area-transit/
Northern Light
Superstar
Hmm, his inside info is better than mine if some of his projections are remotely true.
He has service to Toronto every 3 minutes from Burlington.
WB62
Senior Member
Oh I made that map lol, I have no inside info and the map is made off of pure speculation and information that Metrolinx and OnXpress have said.
3 minute service to Burlington is one of the things OnXpress has mentioned so far, I’ll find exactly where they said it later, but it was sometime last year, it’s what kicked off the whole idea that GO Expansion is a lot more ambitious now than it was before, when Metrolinx was handling the project.
Last edited by a moderator:
Northern Light
Superstar
LOL; you just threw it out there so casually I didn't instantly make the connection. Though the thought crossed my mind as I was posting.
I'd appreciate that. I hadn't heard that discussed. I have heard a goal of every 5M peak from Oakville and 10M off-peak being bandied about.
3M (presumably peak) is a big number through Burlington.
They currently have 3 tracks to Burlington, but cut off improved off-peak at Oakville.
I assumed that was a rail congestion issue w/CN.
@smallspy and @crs1026 would doubtless know better.
In saying as much, I will ask, how congested are the tracks west of Oakville and what would Mx have to do to make 3M service to Burlinton possible?
T3G
Senior Member
The celebrations of the dividers being taken down are premature. They have been taking them down as the cars are cycled through heavier maintenance. Many of the things are likely destined to be rolling around with them for a while still.
WB62
Senior Member
I
I am having second thought about that decision though because you bring up good points about the limited capacity past Burlington, the Burloak grade separation accounts for a future 4th track, so I assume to some extent a 4th track will be built west of Oakville:
I originally had it set up so there would be 15 minute service to Oakville, and then 8 minute service to Burlington; but someone suggested I combine both so I went through with it.
I am having second thought about that decision though because you bring up good points about the limited capacity past Burlington, the Burloak grade separation accounts for a future 4th track, so I assume to some extent a 4th track will be built west of Oakville:
crs1026
Superstar
I'm sticking with the official ML GO Expansion Business Case document, page 51.
It dates from 2018, and any number of revisions may have been made since then. I expect the negotiations with OnCorr may lead to a whole new view of things. But it remains the official source document out there, unless anyone can point to a newer one.
Could headways be bumped up? With better signalling and electrification, yes. It would take a lot of trackwork all the way east to John Street, however, especially considering the number of equipment moves that VIA and GO need to cross over between Mimico and Union.... and the need for VIA to run express in both directions on a three-track main line. I'd say four tracks would be necessary to really increase headways beyond the 15 minute plan.
And, west of Burlington, there is only one track officially dedicated to GO service, with about a 2.7 mile distance between 45 mph switches. So one can use that figure to decide how often trains could conceivably go back and forth over that single track. And if a further track were added, things would improve.....
And.... as the Business Case outlines, that isn't necessarily the plan.
- Paul
reaperexpress
Senior Member
My map was loosely based on the business case documents, as well as the track projects that seem to be planned. So it has service levels a fair bit lower than @Willybru21 's map.
I described the map here.
I did deviate from the business case in a bunch of locations, partly because the business case doesn't seem that well thought through. For example, most of the off-peak express trains supposedly skip Port Credit, the interchange with the Hurontario LRT, while stopping at Clarkson which is little more than a parking lot. The business case also predates the decision that all GO trains will stop at Exhibition and at East Harbour, the was plan for GO trains to London, and the proposal for half-hourly all-day service on the Milton line.
I described the map here.
I did deviate from the business case in a bunch of locations, partly because the business case doesn't seem that well thought through. For example, most of the off-peak express trains supposedly skip Port Credit, the interchange with the Hurontario LRT, while stopping at Clarkson which is little more than a parking lot. The business case also predates the decision that all GO trains will stop at Exhibition and at East Harbour, the was plan for GO trains to London, and the proposal for half-hourly all-day service on the Milton line.
Last edited:
innsertnamehere
Superstar
The Business case was the base standard Metrolinx used in the bidding process from my understanding, but the plan with OnCorr is actually to have a much higher, undisclosed service level.
Wikipedia is claiming 5-minute frequencies for Burlington.
en.wikipedia.org
It's source is this Metrolinx blog post, which mentions frequencies of up to 18 trains per hour, which is roughly 3 minute frequencies, as well as the 5-minute Burlington frequencies. I imagine this is planned as the peak-hour frequency:
Interestingly, in terms of travel time, it suggests travel times to Pickering and Oakville equal to travelling to York Mills station on the subway, which suggests ~20 minute travel times.
It also suggests destinations like Hamilton being equal to drive times in no traffic, which suggests a 45-50 minute travel time..
Wikipedia is claiming 5-minute frequencies for Burlington.
GO Expansion - Wikipedia
It's source is this Metrolinx blog post, which mentions frequencies of up to 18 trains per hour, which is roughly 3 minute frequencies, as well as the 5-minute Burlington frequencies. I imagine this is planned as the peak-hour frequency:
GO Expansion deal means faster, greener, GO Train service
GO Expansion project update
www.metrolinx.com
Interestingly, in terms of travel time, it suggests travel times to Pickering and Oakville equal to travelling to York Mills station on the subway, which suggests ~20 minute travel times.
It also suggests destinations like Hamilton being equal to drive times in no traffic, which suggests a 45-50 minute travel time..
afransen
Senior Member
Yes, GO Expansion is pretty exciting if its potential is realized. It's like an express subway to the suburbs. Port Credit and Oakville should both pop significantly. I'm not sure Mississauga can really hold back the immense development pressure there will be in Port Credit (including their ludicrous suggestion that Mineola can't support any additional density).
Dan416
Senior Member
I don't see much happening in Mineola, at least not in Mineola West. Mineola East is kinda meh so it could be intensified. The only part of Mineola West that I could see densifying would be directly fronting onto Hurontario. Otherwise, it would get NIMBY'd to death.