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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

Well my apoplogies then, I had missed that post. I must say that is a particularly stupid schedule, since it is timed for people working in downtown Toronto rather than Kitchener or Guelph which are close enough to London/StM/Stratford that someone might actually commute on such a slow train.

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I don't get why they scheduled so much time between Kitchener and London. GO seems to have scheduled 2h12, while VIA runs the same stopping pattern in 1h51.
The VIA train doesn't get to Kitchener until 9:16, and then you need to get to the office so you will be late if you start at 9. At least it get you to Union close to 9am, so if you want to commute from St Mary's to Bramelea you can. They will take that feedback and then decide how to adjust the schedule.
 
The VIA train doesn't get to Kitchener until 9:16, and then you need to get to the office so you will be late if you start at 9. At least it get you to Union close to 9am, so if you want to commute from St Mary's to Bramelea you can. They will take that feedback and then decide how to adjust the schedule.
Yes of course, but 7:30 is unnecessarily early for a commuter train to arrive in Kitchener, especially given that that means departing London at 5:20, which is insanely early. London Transit bus service doesn't start running until 6 AM. The press release claims that the train helps students accessing the University of Waterloo and Wilfred Laurier University, so does the Province think they will leave a car parked at London Station for a week while they attend classes?

It would have made more sense to extend the trip a half hour later, arriving in Kitchener at 8:00.
 
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Yes of course, but 7:30 is unnecessarily early for a commuter train to arrive in Kitchener, especially given that that means departing London at 5:20, which is insanely early. London Transit bus service doesn't start running until 6 AM. It would have made more sense to extend the trip a half hour later, arriving in Kitchener at 8:00.
I think it has to do with track slots. And that train needs to be in Toronto by 9:16.
 
I think it has to do with track slots. And that train needs to be in Toronto by 9:16.
The first westbound train arrives Kitchener at 11:28. Therefore, all morning trains originating from Kitchener come straight from layover and the only timetable constraint in deciding which train(s) to extend back to London appears to be the presence of train 84...
 
Apologies if someone has already noted this, but I just noticed that the diagram on Metrolinx's Southwestern Ontario GO Train page shows the trains running non-stop from Union to Bramalea.

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This is a relief since it means that the trains will slightly less painfully slow than they otherwise could have been.

Based on this clue, I'm guessing that they will extend the last AM express train and first PM express train. There are two ways they could go about this:

Option A: extend existing trips
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Option B: New express trips
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Although they may initially do option A (existing trips), I think they would eventually need to switch to option B (new trips), at least in the PM, because I don't think the 6-car London trains could handle the passenger demand from a 16:19 express departure from Union once ridership starts returning to normal.
Looks like GO is heading one step closer to replicating their proposed GO RER service express services.
 
How many days a year is the Stratford Festival? How many days a year do office workers commute?

We have to go back to 2019 to see how the Festival might run in a typical year......now, best as I can tell that was their longest season ever, it ran mid-April the end of October/first week of November.

Since Stratford typically runs performances six days per week, that would be upwards of 170 performance days, that compares to 260 weekdays, - 10 or so for Stat. Holidays or about 250 commute days.

So, there certainly are more commute days; but Stratford is a potentially lucrative source of traffic for the right transportation provider. Running 3-4 theatres, close to 5,000 people on peak traffic days.

Whether GO is the right provider is a different question.
 
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I watched the "Not Just Bikes" video above, and I found it to be a little patronizing and frankly, incorrect. Certainly I have my gripes about GO, and the parking garages, but there seem to be some omissions that indicate a lack of research. Most of the parking lots he visits are already slated to become mixed use communities no? At least I know Oakville, Pickering, Newmarket, Danforth, Bronte, Downsview, Weston, Kipling, and a few others are. It feels weird that one would offer such a bleak view of GO without being up to date on whats actually happening with it.
 
I watched the "Not Just Bikes" video above, and I found it to be a little patronizing and frankly, incorrect. Certainly I have my gripes about GO, and the parking garages, but there seem to be some omissions that indicate a lack of research. Most of the parking lots he visits are already slated to become mixed use communities no? At least I know Oakville, Pickering, Newmarket, Danforth, Bronte, Downsview, Weston, Kipling, and a few others are. It feels weird that one would offer such a bleak view of GO without being up to date on whats actually happening with it.
I agree with the patronizing part. His (his?) videos are starting to grate on me; the "Amsterdam is better than Copenhagen" one really made me think that the channel is becoming boosterism for Amsterdam (not that they aren't much better than us, but it gets really patronizing after a while).
 
I watched the "Not Just Bikes" video above, and I found it to be a little patronizing and frankly, incorrect. Certainly I have my gripes about GO, and the parking garages, but there seem to be some omissions that indicate a lack of research. Most of the parking lots he visits are already slated to become mixed use communities no? At least I know Oakville, Pickering, Newmarket, Danforth, Bronte, Downsview, Weston, Kipling, and a few others are. It feels weird that one would offer such a bleak view of GO without being up to date on whats actually happening with it.

This is the first one that I have watched.

My impression:

While I generally sympathize w/his POV, I find it a bit fact light, a tad grating/patronizing and too bloody long.

Clearly the video is intended as a form of advocacy.

Great!

So long as you make it persuasive to the people you need to, in order to change the status quo.

He makes a crack in the video about being 'cancelled' by his suburban friends..............I don't think he's wrong.
In any event, he's likely to be cancelled by all the suburbanites who aren't his friend.

What he needs to do, aside from cutting back on some of the snark...............is break this video down into its fundamental concepts, and pair them w/the logical solutions.

1) Parking at GO Stations: Its mostly free, that should change, I agree. Why would people who park for free agree? Because you agree to cut the price of their train trip, by the exact same amount you charge for parking + an extra 5% for being such a good sport! You introduce a price that is manageable and in line w/the fact feeder transit couldn't handle a massive shift all at once................say $4-6 per day. But you take that off the trip from, say, Pickering, that the per trip cost drops $2.50-3.50 ($5-7 round trip)

2) Transit/Walking/Cycling infra at/to GO Stations: Pick a select number of bad stations where change can be made to happen and work; identify the service improvements for local transit required, and what's needed to handle a shift of say 20% of those currently parking, to transit. Show what kind of cycling infra you want (Bike Boulevard/Cycletrack) and where it needs to be.

Now cost those; prioritize, give Mx a case to make; and given suburbanites who drive to transit a real reason to support change.

3) Suburb-suburb commutes..........first, cut the patronizing BS and admit this is a challenge in most large cities. Transit works best with density, which is almost never uniform and tends to favour the centre over the periphery.

Yes, we can make it better. But which better would you like? We can't build 3 new cross-town GO lines............even 2 is likely only possible a generation or more from now. So prioritize 1. What route would make such commutes more possible and easier. What would it cost to build? How many commuters would it serve? What it would cost to operate? What role would Highway tolls play in its success? How would you sell the drivers of said highways on change?

I'm anti-highway, I'm anti-sprawl, I'm pro-transit.................but I also understand, I need the support of people who live in the burbs, and commute by car to change the world. Patronizing them is not the most useful way to make that happen.

Just sayin.
 
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