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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

Etobicoke North has pretty good ridership. It's got the best ridership of all of the Georgetown line stations in the 416, and I would say that it might even rival Malton. And, a lot of people transfer from the Kipling bus. That's the kind of thing we want to promote.
 
I think demand warrants for all day service to Brampton station and it to be increased to every hour at least

like there should be a trains going to Union from 9am-2pm every hour and there will be people using the train.


Also they should also run a last late train close to 8pm instead of 6:45...

However it appears the all day service will go to Brampton station soon it appears as they are widening the overpasses for more rail lines. Also a Station could be added near Woodbine if there are more developments there...

There would be a lot of use as many people take the TTC in that area to go downtown. Lots of people from Brampton East and Rexdale and really Etibcoke north is in the middle of nowhere. They could close that station really, its useless!!

All day will most likely not happen until the new platform is built for Brampton station and the consultant has been hired for it.

Queen bridge will have to be widen. Main is 2 tracks now. The plan is to have only 2 tracks for the Brampton section with 3 tracks at each end.

Big mistake as it should be 3 with 4 at each end. This way would give GO it's own tracks and be free from CN operation other than the Brampton station.

There is a plan to add a Woodbine station.
 
Beginning April 27, 2008, a NEW GO Transit route will provide service between Richmond Hill Centre Terminal, Pearson International Airport and Square One Shopping Centre.

This new route will provide hourly non-stop service, seven days a week as follows:

Westbound from Richmond Hill Centre Terminal to Pearson International Airport to Square One Shopping Centre

First trip departs at 4:20 a.m. with trips departing hourly until the last trip
departs at 1:20 a.m. (next day).

Eastbound from Pearson International Airport to Richmond Hill Centre Terminal
First trip departs at 4:25 a.m. with trips departing hourly until the last trip departs at 1:25 a.m. (next day).
 
If they ran it to Langstaff instead of RHC, they could get some use out of the bridge...
 
If they ran it to Langstaff instead of RHC, they could get some use out of the bridge...

5 minute walk between Langstaff and RHC walking up/down the stairs. Ok for ppl who can climb stairs. End of May or early June for the elevators to be in service.

Since most riders would be coming/going to/from RHC in the first place, that the best stop location.
 
Sounds like Hamilton is going to be a GO Train hub for a future GO Train or Bus service to the Niagara Region.

Falls mayor hopeful GO train service will be extended to Niagara on weekends this summer

Posted By Jennifer Pellegrini, Osprey News Network
Posted 2 hours ago

Niagara Falls Mayor Ted Salci is hopeful Toronto-area tourists will be able to ride the rails to Niagara this summer.

Salci met with GO Transit managing director and chief executive officer Gary McNeil last week in a bid to convince him to support extending GO train service to Niagara on weekends throughout the tourist season.

“We’re pushing for weekend transportation right away,” Salci said. “We think it’s a no-brainer because the rail stock is unused (on weekends).”

Negotiating GO service to Niagara by rail might be a bit tricky, he said.

GO would have to work out a terms-of-use agreement with CN Rail, which owns the tracks into Niagara.

“They place the movement of freight ahead of the movement of people,” Salci said.

In his previous role as Ontario’s tourism minister, St. Catharines MPP and provincial Transportation Minister Jim Bradley often advocated finding new ways to get people between the province’s two largest tourism destinations — Niagara Falls and Toronto.

Contacted at Queen’s Park, Bradley’s staff said he had a series of meetings scheduled in Ottawa and was unavailable for comment.

However, Bradley told Osprey News earlier this month bringing GO to Niagara would be a good idea.

“GO Transit itself has done those studies ... and believes that in the future they at least think it could be viable to extend the service to Niagara and to Waterloo, and, well into the future, perhaps other areas in the province,” Bradley said.

"The service concept used for analysis purposes would cost approximately $3.5 million per year to operate," the report reads. "The service could carry approximately 2,800 riders per day and expected revenues would cover approximately 50 to 75 per cent of operating costs, depending on the service levels provided. The capital cost would be about $9 million for additional buses and park-and-ride facilities."

Bradley acknowledges the report, which showed the Niagara Falls-Hamilton bus route has potential.

"I'm optimistic we'll see that happen in a progressive basis. As you know, what usually happens - and this has happened all along the route into Toronto - that bus service is established that takes people to the nearest train stop."

Bradley said train service will require a substantial financial commitment.

“There are some major works that would have to be done in Hamilton, I am told, that is to ensure you could bring a line to Niagara.”

The time for that work may have come.

In last month’s provincial budget, the government set aside $3 million to overhaul the downtown Hamilton rail station, which is currently in use as the Liuna Station banquet hall.

Bringing GO links to two Hamilton destinations — one along the CP Rail line and one along CN Rail where Liuna Station is — improves the potential for a Niagara spur.

“It’s something the municipality of Hamilton has been pushing for,” Niagara Falls MPP Kim Craitor said of the proposal to bring Liuna Station back to its railroad roots.


“This shows there is a commitment and I just want to get the message out there that we’re not just talking about things, we’re actually doing things,” Craitor said.

He acknowledged it may not be easy to convince CN to allow GO to use the service, but said if it can be pulled off, “it would also be a way for us to get a feel for ridership and effect on the highway.”

Salci said if rail service couldn’t be easily negotiated, GO bus service would help take the sting out of being stuck in traffic.

Bottlenecks on the QEW are one of many problems for Niagara Falls, which has begun to rely heavily on Toronto tourists for day trips as the number of short-haul American travellers has declined.

Visitors enjoy their stay once they get here, but the 90-minute trip to Niagara often takes much longer as travellers sit in traffic jams caused by construction, accidents and sheer volume.

“We’re hoping to get traffic off the road,” Salci said. “One bus is the equivalent of about 50 cars. That would ease the issue with the ongoing construction on the QEW in St. Catharines that’s scheduled to last the next two years.”

McNeil did not respond this week to attempts by Osprey News for an interview via telephone or e-mail.

However, an assistant in his office said she is aware of McNeil’s intention to try meet with representatives from CN Rail, although such a meeting has yet to be arranged.

St. Catharines Mayor Brian McMullan said he was not aware of a meeting between Salci and McNeil, but said he supports GO Transit coming to Niagara, whether it’s by bus or train.

“I support any initiative to get cars off the road and reduce our carbon footprint,” McMullan said.

He said while he’d be happy to have the three proposed Niagara stops — Grimsby, St. Catharines and Niagara Falls — tested in a pilot project this summer, reliable service over the long haul is key to bringing GO trains to Niagara.

“It may be a leap of faith for the government to go to GO trains first.

It’s less costly to go with GO buses as a start,” McMullan said. “But in the long term, I believe we’ll continue to press for regular, frequent and consistent service.”
 
Perhaps Via Rail should run trains more frequently on their route. Heck, some trains could continue to Upstate NY with an agreement with Amtrack.
 
VIA might run more trains if the demand for VIA service was there (but who knows with VIA?). VIA is a lot more expensive than GO, if you want to reduce QEW traffic, which should be a major priority, the train service needs to be attractive. That is, cheap and quicker than driving. Busses are not the answer. Realistically, very few average people would take the GO bus to Niagara if they had the option to drive. But if GO can offer a service that is close to the price of gas, quick, and lets people avoid surprise delays and heavy traffic on the QEW, people will use it.
 
GO should partner with Coach Canada. They already run good service between Niagara and Hamilton/Toronto. GO could set the pricing structure and Coach Canada could operate the routes under contract. VIA Rail has a contract with them to honour VIA tickets when the Toronto-bound Maple Leaf is running behind, so it's not like they wouldn't be willing to work with another agency.
 
On April 8-08, the 4:30 run 151 from Union to Milton was seen at 4:33 at Strachan Ave with new cab car 248 on the point with new MP40 605 pushing the 1st 12 car train in revenue service.

http://www.youtube.com/v/LOzQJFPqV2Y
 
VIA might run more trains if the demand for VIA service was there (but who knows with VIA?). VIA is a lot more expensive than GO, if you want to reduce QEW traffic, which should be a major priority, the train service needs to be attractive. That is, cheap and quicker than driving. Busses are not the answer. Realistically, very few average people would take the GO bus to Niagara if they had the option to drive. But if GO can offer a service that is close to the price of gas, quick, and lets people avoid surprise delays and heavy traffic on the QEW, people will use it.

This looks like a job for a VIA Ontario type of service, a hybrid between GO and VIA with provincial funding (which is very hard to do without a VIA Rail Canada Act from the Feds)
 
If done right the Niagara station could make a great transportation hub.

What I would like to see:
1. US and Canadian customs in the station.
2. Multiple station tracks with underground walkways, one or two of the tracks in a secured area for US pre-clearance.
3. Terminate all Amtrak trains which currently stop at Niagara Falls NY in Niagara Falls ON.
4. Instead of running the Maple Leaf as a through train have VIA terminate in Niagara Falls ON and have Amtrak to New York start in Niagara Falls ON. Having people get off the train and walk through customs would actually be faster than what occurs now.
5. Provide an integrated Bus and Train (GO and VIA) schedule from Niagara Falls ON to Toronto ensuring all Amtrak arrivals and departures are connected to with at least a bus.
6. Have a Casino bus run from the station to the two Casinos and market the rail and bus services from Toronto as a Casino connection. The biggest obstacles preventing from VIA catching the casino-going market is cheaper casino buses, the distance from the station to the sights, and the fact there is only two trains per day. With the Casinos run by the province there should be a way for the Casino to subsidize the GO services to Niagara and make it cost competitive with the cheap casino buses.
7. Develop the site north of the station with a function that will create ridership such as office buildings and higher-education.
 
My dream was to do the opposite - open a new joint Amtrak/VIA Station in or near Downtown Buffalo and cut out the Niagara Falls NY stop and have customs processing for both countries in Buffalo.

The VIA Toronto-Buffalo runs would connect there to the Empire Service (day trains to Albany and NYC) and Empire Builder overnight service. Cleveland's been wanting an extension of the Maple Leaf there if it is pulled from Toronto, so they can have some Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland trains.

But your idea works as well.
 

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