EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
We aren't in Europe who cares what they use? Most of the commuter trains I've seen from Europe aren't very good I'll take a go train over them any day.
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cplchanb
Senior Member
Here's to wishing and hoping someday we can mimic JR and their commuter service quality. Maybe not in out lifetimes though
superelevation
Active Member
Ah, who cares what the continent far better at rail and PT than us does!
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
We should stop looking at Europe and look at things like bright line in Florida. I have seen a few YouTube videos from European train enthusiasts who think they are much better than trains in Europe. I have seen videos where they talk about seats on trains in Europe being like ironing boards and they often have very few washrooms on board compared to how go transit and brigtine have them in every car.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Brightline is a niche product that serves only a few stations. Not to mention it doesn't even have 5 years of service record. Give them a few eyes and well see just how maintained the fleet will be. Why rest on such a low hanging fruit bar when we have the opportunity to reach far higher? The DB has decades of service history and track record over an infinitely larger network compared to BL.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
With Metrolinx in charge db won't be able to do much. Plus we don't even know how much of an impact they will actually have outside of building the overhead network.
crs1026
Superstar
Pretty sure that some Paris RER lines run double deck trains of 10+ cars…. at 2 minute headways. Sure, it can be done. The question is, will we need it. I suspect not, for a very long time.
NJT on the NEC is an example of a property that runs single level EMU’s off peak but brings out longer loco hauled trains for peak periods. If I were to pick a comparable property, NJT is the one I would study.
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NJT on the NEC is an example of a property that runs single level EMU’s off peak but brings out longer loco hauled trains for peak periods. If I were to pick a comparable property, NJT is the one I would study.
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Undead
Senior Member
For something like that, I think we'd need a wholesale cultural change, including zoning and other infra in addition to the raiilways. Transit in Japan, like bikes in Holland, isn't just infrastructure. It's very cultural and changing people's minds is way harder than building rails (and we struggle enough with the later).
allengeorge
Senior Member
I am really curious how many commuter trains in Europe you’ve ridden, and why you say they “aren’t very good”.
allengeorge
Senior Member
I see.
Still waiting to hear why these trains aren't as good. Also, what have you heard/read here that shows that people are confused about the types of trains in use?
allengeorge
Senior Member
Re: EMU trains, this is by far not a consensus opinion here. The most consistent reason I’ve heard is that it opens up possibilities for future infill stations in Toronto, which is accurate. Not worth losing sleep over.
Unfortunately the rest of your response did not explain why European commuter trains aren’t as good, or why the GO is that much better. I’m still at a loss as to why you made that comment in the first place. Especially when in your latest response you’re basically saying that Metrolinx is the dumps, can’t be trusted, is peddling snake oil and more.
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allengeorge
Senior Member
At any rate, there’s wide variation within Europe as to commuter rail. The few systems I’ve ridden are generally nice. Some lines in some countries have really great frequency (~10-15 mins or less) and other lines operate more like a purely commuter service. In general the trains were nice. I really didn’t care if they were loco-hauled or EMUs. IIRC (and this is from memory) most systems were zone-based, not fare-by-distance. This can be a big deal if you’re traveling within the central city.
GO is actually pretty good - but even during peak times could be better. Off-peak service needs a sharp improvement. If you’re talking 1-hour+ headways at any point, you’re far better off driving because you get the flexibility of leaving when you want.
GO is actually pretty good - but even during peak times could be better. Off-peak service needs a sharp improvement. If you’re talking 1-hour+ headways at any point, you’re far better off driving because you get the flexibility of leaving when you want.
robmausser
Senior Member
GO WAS getting pretty good starting in 2018 and getting better every year.. The pandemic killed that. GO currently sucks right now. But hopefully service will resume soon...I hope.
Whats cool is that they didn't stop building the new projects like 2nd tracks and 2 sided station platforms. So hopefully when service does ramp up, we're gonna see some awesome improvements.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Fleet news.
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Metrolinx: Other Items (catch all)
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RU479
Active Member
Is this for electric locos or new diesel ones?Fleet news.
Metrolinx: Other Items (catch all)
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