Irishmonk
Senior Member
This extension is not impressing anybody here in Fake-London. I doubt that any of the half dozen folks who have actually wasted an entire day riding it will change their votes to Ford as a result.
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
That's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 21 minutes is a scheduled travel time, which included padding, while 15 minutes is the best-case travel time if the slow orders are resolved. My guess is that the scheduled travel time will be 19 or 18 minutes in the next timetable.
Given the unreliability of the London service I wouldn't be surprised if they keep the eastbound end-to-end travel times the same and move those 3 minutes into a longer dwell in Kitchener. That way delays originating west of Kitchener would be less likely to spread onto the portion of the line which people actually use. Westbound they could cut the 3 minutes out of the running time, and just let the train get to London whenever it gets there.
The distance is 197 km and the scheduled travel time is 3h53, so the average speed is 50.7 km/h. This divides into a 42.7 km/h average west of Kitchener, and a 61.2 km/h average east of Kitchener.
For comparison, VIA's London-Brantford-Toronto intercity service covers 185 km in 2h10, at an average speed of 85.8 km/h.
No those people will definitely not be happy campers after experiencing the train. I think that the Ford government is hoping that Londoners will hear about the train, think that it sounds like a good idea and never actually try to ride it themselves.
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nfitz
Superstar
Might be very optimistic for 15. What's the best historic time? Looking in both 1967 and 1988 VIA timetables, the best time was 22 minutes. I'd guess 20 minutes one day.
But that assumes no additional stations. If they add Breslau, then back to 22 minutes minimum for GO.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
When I said best-case I meant literally full throttle up to the speed limit, and no delays. So it would never have appeared in a schedule. Also note that that 15 minute estimate and the associated 17 minute observation are departure-to-arrival, whereas most timetables show departure-to-departure, including the dwell time at one of the stations. We may now see shorter travel times than the historical timetables have had, because I don't think the trains have ever been as fast through Guelph as they are today (literally today).
nfitz
Superstar
The GO trains that terminate in Kitchener would show departure to arrival between the two cities.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yes but they also show a whole bunch of schedule padding which GO dumps at the end of all runs to artificially inflate their on-time arrival scores. Hence why westbound trains are scheduled for 24 minutes, not including any dwells, while eastbound trains are scheduled for 21 minutes including the dwell in Guelph.
Krypto98
Active Member
Today the 8:39-10:28 Kitchener- Toronto train left kitchener about 8 minutes late. After Guelph it was delayed only 2 minutes.
nfitz
Superstar
That's a good way to measure it, with a late train. So the 21 minutes scheduled time could become 15 minutes. Maybe 16 for padding. Can't drive that fast (until they build the new expressway).
Gosh, if they removed the other slow orders, and switched to EMUs with better acceleration, maybe they could get it down to 12!
Krypto98
Active Member
Too bad about the Lancaster slow order, they have electronic signs saying not to cross. Anti trespass barriers, crossing gates for pedestrians, yet people still trespass there
reaperexpress
Senior Member
VIA 84 covered Kitchener - Guelph in 15 minutes today (avg speed: 88 km/h):
Depart Kitchener 12:07 (3 min late)
Arrive Guelph 12:22 (2 min early)
Times are 6h off because my computer is set to Central European time
This was really a best-case scenario: the train departed Kitchener late and there were no delays en route other than the 15 mph slow order at Lancaster. I still think the January 2021 GO timetables will have an 18-19 minute travel time from Kitchener to Guelph, including padding and the dwell in Guelph.
Depart Kitchener 12:07 (3 min late)
Arrive Guelph 12:22 (2 min early)
Times are 6h off because my computer is set to Central European time
This was really a best-case scenario: the train departed Kitchener late and there were no delays en route other than the 15 mph slow order at Lancaster. I still think the January 2021 GO timetables will have an 18-19 minute travel time from Kitchener to Guelph, including padding and the dwell in Guelph.
TFC
Active Member
Is the slowdown at Paisley Road a new issue?
Krypto98
Active Member
reaperexpress
Senior Member
drum118
Superstar
Dec 7
Lot more up on site for all 3 projects
Kennedy GO
Looks like part of the machinal building for the LRT will be an enclose area for the north platform. Everything for the LRT is now cover over that allow the 2nd track to be built over it. Platform edge being install at the south end.
Noticed the steel for the north platform is not galvanizes like other platforms.
Agincourt
2nd track installed along with the new southbound platform with a nice jog. No idea about the 2nd track south of Sheppard nor when the 2nd track will continue south over Sheppard Ave.
Part of the new station open and assume the other section is only for AM service. Elevator install and no idea if it working nor is there one for the northbound platform.
Millikin
Steel erectors where having issues installing the columns. The westbound Steeles lanes not even close to be worked on with about 2nd Q opening. Same goes for the north side stairs, elevator and the walkways bridge.
Lot more up on site for all 3 projects
Kennedy GO
Looks like part of the machinal building for the LRT will be an enclose area for the north platform. Everything for the LRT is now cover over that allow the 2nd track to be built over it. Platform edge being install at the south end.
Noticed the steel for the north platform is not galvanizes like other platforms.
Agincourt
2nd track installed along with the new southbound platform with a nice jog. No idea about the 2nd track south of Sheppard nor when the 2nd track will continue south over Sheppard Ave.
Part of the new station open and assume the other section is only for AM service. Elevator install and no idea if it working nor is there one for the northbound platform.
Millikin
Steel erectors where having issues installing the columns. The westbound Steeles lanes not even close to be worked on with about 2nd Q opening. Same goes for the north side stairs, elevator and the walkways bridge.
Krypto98
Active Member
Or workers in the morning hours. Shantz station road had workers the other day