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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)

The Stouffville line will be a 2-track line. This means that there will only be one service running on it. Perhaps in the short term there will be electric trains going only as far as Unionville and diesel trains going to Lincolnville but surely Metrolinx intends to electrify the entire line eventually.

You can look at the environmental assessments for the Stouffville line at <http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/rer/scarboroughmarkham.aspx>. This is really what John Tory is referring to when he talks about the eastern part of "SmartTrack". Since there will only be 2 tracks there is no possibility of having express and local trains. Under SmartTrack, additional stations will be built at Lawrence, Ellesmere and Finch but otherwise the proposal is identical.

Few details about SmartTrack have been released so far, but it is obvious that it is just a marketing name for GO RER with additional stations funded by the city + an Eglinton LRT extension.
 
Well, it all makes sense so long as your assumptions are valid - and they aren't.
Whoa, let's consider this:
(A) Stoufville can be made as fast as today (EMUs will be fast enough to make up for extra stops)
(B) Governments may consider SmartTrack 5-minute frequency ASAP more important than providing Stoufville expresses, automatically necessitating what I said

Then it's a compromise. See?

Plus...
(C) It doesn't preclude further widenings of Stoufville in the future, to enable express/allstop passing to become possible beyond Scarborough.

ST and RER won't make the same stops. (If they did, they would indeed be one and the same)
I think you keep misunderstanding. Yet again.

ST and RER is still the same service but makes different stops
Don't understand what I mean? See RER B timetable.

Different Paris RER trains makes different stops. Some stations get serviced 3 minutes, some stations get serviced 6 minutes, some stations 12 minutes, some trains are expresses, some trains are all stops, but there's more than 2.

It's more than a "ST" and a "RER". If you looked at the Paris RER B timetable, you will se Paris RER B looks more like 20 services instead of 2 ("GO RER" and "ST"), if you keep thinking the way you do, instead of thinking the way I'm temporarily asking you to think....

The one Paris service called "Paris RER B" does the timetable equivalent of:
- A train equivalent to SmartTrack
- A train equivalent to mostly SmartTrack
- A train equivalent to half SmartTrack, half GO
- A train equivalent to mostly GO, with a few SmartTrack behaviors
- A train that's fully GO
- A train that resembles SmartTrack in the east, but resembles GO in the west
- A train that resembles GO in the east, but resembles SmartTrack in the west
- Etc (something like 15, 20 or 30 different variants... it's not important to keep count)
Yet it's all considered one service. Same trainset. Same branding.

And do you know where GO got their "RER" inspiration from? BINGO.

(Paris avoids making it confusing by using those simplified electronic boards. GO will definitely need to have new videoboard software to prevent it becoming confusing to users)

That's what Paris RER B is doing, if you view the Paris RER B timetable. It is as if they run 20-30 different services (stopping schemes) on a single route. It's fantastically complex. It's not simply "ST" and "RER" (two things), it's many, many, many versions that is run as one single unified service. It's one service where each train has its own unique stopping sequence, and they fantastically intersperse the trains very efficiently (it's so complex that they computer to slot the trains reliably).

Under the Paris RER thinking mentality, what is called "SmartTrack" becomes just simply one of many RER stopping plans. Under Paris RER definitions, SmartTrack is interpreted as an allstop timetable for the electric RER train.

The move to GO RER is introducing additional multilayered stopping plans already today. Just look at the increases in LSW layering, thanks to the two now-active Hamilton spurs. Lakeshore West evening commuters already know, we've tried to figure out the LSW Burlington shortturn, LSW Oakville shortturn, LSW Aldershot shortturn, LSW express, LSW allstop, LSW West Harbour spur, LSW Hamilton Downtown spur... Paris RER is like the GO LSW multilayering, but on steriods, done 2-way, for the whole route, at ultra-high 3-minute frequencies, and frequent all day long instead of just GO LSW evening peak.

What I am saying, is if Toronto urgently prioritizes introduces 5-minute SmartTrack before Stoufville expansion to 4-tracks, that Unionville/Stoufville leg will simply end up having to temporarily be allstop (for now) once they go past Scarborough, whether that specific train was express/allstop/random/hybrid before Scarborough. for the 2-track Stoufville spur and won't be slower (status quo) thanks to the faster EMU acceleration making up. One can continue incremental expansions to introduce another layer to the RER/ST unified service by introducing express Stoufville legs to some trains.

Once you've electrified the whole network and resignalled into small-blocks, you gain the flexibility to customize a lot of stopping plans with interspersing. Introducing a new service (e.g. we now want a Weston Express, or a faster Airport Express, or discontinue an unprofitable Danforth short-turn train, etc) -- along the electrified corridor simply becomes a twice-a-year timetable change, rather than a multibillion dollar electorate/government initiative -- assuming there's corridor room to reslot/rearrange the trains.

There is really no reason for GO+GORER(what many think it is)+UPX+ST to be monolithic, it can be virtualized into a timetable matter in a unified RER system, to gain the maximum train-slotting efficiencies absolutely needed for 5-minute frequencies within our existing GO corridor widths.

Using a "RER" system (using definition from Paris RER -- the Mother Of All RERs) combined with tiny blocks (that 5-minute requires) you gain a hell a lot more flexibility. Once you've got that, it is possible to invent new stopping plans that are total hybrids between what you consider "GO RER" and what you consider "SmartTrack". (And if UPX is merged in too, hybrids bewteen what you consider "UPX" and what you consider "GO RER". And between what you consider "UPX" and what you consider "SmartTrack"). Obviously it would all have to switch over to a fare zone system (with a TTC fare for 416) for consistency, but it'd be considered a unified service under Paris RER definition.

It becomes the once-a-year or twice-a-year timetable change to introduce/remove stopping plans. This fit constantly changing urban/suburban/seasonal demand profiles. And accomodates constantly changing/expanding corrodor space that increases flexibility over time (like later adding a track to Stoufville). Network expansions simply increase RER flexibility to introduce new stopping plans like additional expresses, etc.

Back to Paris -- they have upgraded incrementally over time such as adding extra tracks and other enhancements to specific RER routes. To continually "enhance" their timetables like added expresses to bypass allstops, etc. On this side of the pond, same thing could happen on the Scarborough-Stoufville section for the unified GO+GORER+ST+UPX electric service running Paris RER style. So for example -- yesterday there might be, say, 14 d ifferent variants of stopping plans but tomorrow's new RER schedule may have 17 different variants of stopping plans, in whatever interspersing necessary to achieve high frequencies in the core segment, while achieving all-day express and/or longer-haul capability for certain trains, etc.

From the Paris viewpoint, GO-RER and ST isn't two services. It's just two (or more!) different stopping plans assigned to each passing train... In all practicality, there could be trains that are assigned hybid between ST-ish and GO-RER-ish, as I've described above.

It is important to understand how The Mother Of All RERs operate, where GO/Metrolinx got the "RER" acronym from.
 
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@mdrejhon is absolutely right.

Only in Toronto would any of this be considered complex or novel. There are express and local, fast and slow trains running on the same corridors (even the same tracks) all over the world. Also, only in Toronto would the regional transit authority decide they don't really care to serve much of the regional centre with more frequent service or more stops. If Metrolinx thinks this is rocket science, may be they can place a call to Paris, or any other European or Asian transit system and ask them how its done.
 
In all practicality, there'll probably still be compromises and monolithic services (e.g. one of many examples is keeping UPX, and using lower frequency for SmartTrack, etc). We're not sure what sheninigans are going to happen during electrification, given political changes... SmartTrack may not be 5 minutes, and then all this will be pretty moot.

Regardless, we are going to see more "Paris RER" flavour -- to some undetermined extent -- hit the GO network in the electrification. It's already happening on LSW, for example...
 
If the SRT is entirely cleared out of the corridor between Ellesmere and Kennedy, doesn't that present an opportunity to lay three mainline tracks, the third of which being an express track which can avoid stopping at Ellesmere, Lawrence and maybe even Kennedy? The question being of course where 4.2km would be enough to bother or 5.0km if you tripled as far as the 401. There is also the question of where/in what fashion SmartTrack trains turn back.

GO services from the 905 avoiding STC does hurt the narrative that STC is going to become a vibrant employment centre.

I wonder how a 5 minute service or even less than that will propose to eliminate the grade crossing at Danforth Road immediately west of Midland? There are several freight spurs (one just south of Kennedy plus some north of Lawrence in the vicinity of SRT) which have to be accounted for also.

kEiThZ: "Only in Toronto would any of this be considered complex or novel" - all of Canada and to a large extent North America works to the same basic rules. Surely we don't have to cross the Atlantic and enter an entirely different rail environment to find an analogue... do we?
 
If the SRT is entirely cleared out of the corridor between Ellesmere and Kennedy, doesn't that present an opportunity to lay three mainline tracks, the third of which being an express track which can avoid stopping at Ellesmere, Lawrence and maybe even Kennedy?

My unskilled amateur surveyor's eye says that four tracks are possible in the end. You build the second track, and the junction to the STC spur, then you tear out SRT and build two more in its footprint. SRT is not much narrower than standard guage heavy rail. You might have to buy some land, however.

The only sticking point with that is - it's a cost that hasn't been declared in the "plan", and it disproves the rhetoric that says ST can be superimposed on that line in its existing state. But maybe that doesn't matter. I'm also wondering about the feasibility of a "flat" junction to an STC spur....too many conflicting routings as tph is increased. It would have to be a flyunder - again, more cost.

One expedient solution would be to not be quite as generous with station stops, which would lessen the express versus stopping tension.

- Paul
 
@mdrejhon is absolutely right.

Only in Toronto would any of this be considered complex or novel. There are express and local, fast and slow trains running on the same corridors (even the same tracks) all over the world. Also, only in Toronto would the regional transit authority decide they don't really care to serve much of the regional centre with more frequent service or more stops. If Metrolinx thinks this is rocket science, may be they can place a call to Paris, or any other European or Asian transit system and ask them how its done.


No No NO! Toronto lives in a bubble and is the centre of the universe. NO one has ever done this before, we are paving the way to the future and are leaders in everything that we do.

/s
 
My unskilled amateur surveyor's eye says that four tracks are possible in the end. You build the second track, and the junction to the STC spur, then you tear out SRT and build two more in its footprint. SRT is not much narrower than standard guage heavy rail. You might have to buy some land, however.
4 might be a bit chancy if you need any land for signal towers, electrification poles, platforms and the like. Might have to restrict speeds too if spacing between track centres gets too cosy.
 
No No NO! Toronto lives in a bubble and is the centre of the universe. NO one has ever done this before, we are paving the way to the future and are leaders in everything that we do.
Then the new mayor of Toronto cancels SmartTrack and invents IntelligentRail or CleverTrain.

At the end of the day, RER (under its original mother definition) is just a catchall from negative infinity to positive infinity. To Paris, UPX/GO/SmartTrack are simply virtualized as different station-stopping plan on each identical passing train in a unified-service RER B style map.
 
Jan 31:
The new GO Station for Sq One Terminal is complete on the outside, but can't see what has to be done on the inside. Could open this month or next.

Feb 1:
Had a look at Bloor Station and the east platform extension will not open until spring when concrete for the stairs and ramp is pour. Then there is the fixing of the fence in those areas as well landscaping.

The west walkway from Dundas is still block off and can't see what work that is still outstanding in the tunnels from preventing that fare station and entrance from opening. My 2015 visited said should open in Jan.

Sound wall columns have been installed from Wallace Bridge to Dupont. Large full height panels have been installed at Dupont.
 
Jan 31 Sq One Terminal and more up on site

Who in the hell is the steel fabricator and who at Metrolinx allow this chicken feed welding??? Its is not level and hope its cover up. Any welder doing this work for me would be shown the door, even if they were from 721. I just noticed after posting the photo here.
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GO is starting public meetings on system-wide electrification. The map attached to the notice reveals where initial efforts will be, which will NOT include:
  • Lakeshore West line west/south of Aldershot
  • All of Milton and Richmond Hill lines
  • Kitchener line west of Bramalea
    • Note: the TPAP for electrification has been completed Union to the UPX spur
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Transit Open House - Mississauga Airport Corporate Centre

Feb 05, 2016

Information regarding SmartTrack and Regional Express Rail transit proposals will be featured at an open house on February 23.

When:
Tuesday, February 23, 2016
2 to 4 p.m.

Where:TownePlace Suites by Marriott Mississauga
5050 Orbitor Drive at Eglinton Avenue
Mississauga, Ontario

The City of Toronto, in coordination with Metrolinx, the Ontario Provincial Government agency responsible for implementing and integrating regional transit in the Greater Toronto Area, are working on the SmartTrack Western Corridor Feasibility Study. This study is looking at the proposed SmartTrack branch running between Mt. Dennis Station and the Mississauga Airport Corporate Centre.

Public meetings and open houses are being held in the Greater Toronto Area on these transit initiatives to collect input and share information.

For more information please visit
Regional Express Rail: www.metrolinx.com/rer
SmartTrack: www.toronto.ca/smarttrack
 
Feb 4
Bronte Station rebuilt for the first section of the south platform is almost complete. Its missing flashing and the doors to the shelters, otherwise complete.

Over at Burlington, still no elevators or fare counter. The foundation for the east tunnel new entrance is complete and being back fill. Mean while, Paradigm Condos being built beside this station that started in Feb 2015 will be at grade by month end. Its amassing how a simple station can take 3 years to be built while towers are being built in haft the time so far.
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The lack of RER coming to Milton just convinces me even further that Line 2 should extended to MCC.
 

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