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Globe: Second NHL Team for Toronto?

The Toronto Rovers

This has tremendous potential, especially if Balsilie is serious about serving "Southern Ontario". Call the team the Toronto Rovers (or, better, the Ontario Rovers, or even the Ontario Wanderers) and have it split its home games between Hamilton, Windsor, London, Mississauga, Vaughan, etc). All of these cities have arenas capable of hosting 15,000 fans, so there's no need to build an expensive new arena, and on Home/Away nights (say you're in Hamilton, but the Rovers are playing in Windsor) they could open Copps Coliseum and show the game on an upgraded scoreboard (assuming that the money that would have gone into a new arena could instead be used to upgrade several smaller arenas), charging nominal admission. Make it really fun and have events for the kids like they do at Marlies games, and even set up a tailgate party on the ice surface.

You'd end up with the great scenario where the Rovers would truly be southern Ontario's team, and you'd have an amazing 416 vs 905/519/705/603 rivalry. In this scenario you abandon the corporate box model (boxes that would be a hard sell in the smaller cities anyways), but I think you'd more than make up for it with gate receipts and merchandising and even people coming to watch the broadcasts live at the satellite arenas. And I can already imagine how loud some of those smaller arenas would be, 15000 diehard hockey fans packed into a smaller arena to watch NHL hockey up close like that.
 
Call the team the Toronto Rovers (or, better, the Ontario Rovers, or even the Ontario Wanderers) and have it split its home games between Hamilton, Windsor, London, Mississauga, Vaughan, etc). All of these cities have arenas capable of hosting 15,000 fans, so there's no need to build an expensive new arena

Hockey capacity of arenas in cities listed above (from Wikipedia)

Copps Coliseum (Hamilton) 17,383
WFCU Centre (Windsor) 6,500
Hershey Centre (Mississauga) 5,800
John Labatt Centre (London) 9,100
??? (Vaughan) ???
 
What about Waterloo?
 
Why tippy-toe around all that bullshit and not just get a silly name/logo that wont offend anyone and get you into any trouble.

Here are a couple names that might fly.:)
Toronto & Hamilton United, The Toronto Rovers, Toronto City H.C. The Toronto Geese

If it's the Coyotes moving up here, I say call 'em the JETS.
 
I'd like to call them the "Redcoats" which alludes to kicking American butt circa 1812-14.

Columbus "Blue Jackets" celebrates Ohio's role in the Civil War so the precedent is there... and it will be amusing to know that no-one in the U.S. will have a clue what a "redcoat" is.

Toronto Redcoats
Hamilton Redcoats
Waterloo Redcoats
Niagara Redcoats

They all work.
 
I'd like to call them the "Redcoats" which alludes to kicking American butt circa 1812-14.

Columbus "Blue Jackets" celebrates Ohio's role in the Civil War so the precedent is there... and it will be amusing to know that no-one in the U.S. will have a clue what a "redcoat" is.

Toronto Redcoats
Hamilton Redcoats
Waterloo Redcoats
Niagara Redcoats

They all work.
The Redcoats vs the Blue Jackets could be quite the rivalry. I like it.
 
This has tremendous potential, especially if Balsilie is serious about serving "Southern Ontario". Call the team the Toronto Rovers (or, better, the Ontario Rovers, or even the Ontario Wanderers) and have it split its home games between Hamilton, Windsor, London, Mississauga, Vaughan, etc). All of these cities have arenas capable of hosting 15,000 fans, so there's no need to build an expensive new arena, and on Home/Away nights (say you're in Hamilton, but the Rovers are playing in Windsor) they could open Copps Coliseum and show the game on an upgraded scoreboard (assuming that the money that would have gone into a new arena could instead be used to upgrade several smaller arenas), charging nominal admission. Make it really fun and have events for the kids like they do at Marlies games, and even set up a tailgate party on the ice surface.

You'd end up with the great scenario where the Rovers would truly be southern Ontario's team, and you'd have an amazing 416 vs 905/519/705/603 rivalry. In this scenario you abandon the corporate box model (boxes that would be a hard sell in the smaller cities anyways), but I think you'd more than make up for it with gate receipts and merchandising and even people coming to watch the broadcasts live at the satellite arenas. And I can already imagine how loud some of those smaller arenas would be, 15000 diehard hockey fans packed into a smaller arena to watch NHL hockey up close like that.

The NHL is a gate driven league. 15000 fans in a single arena with no luxury suite revenue is not going to work. Having it spread out amongst such a large geographical areas with multiple home venues isn't a great idea either. It's going to dillute fan loyalty.

Look at the intense hostility you have towards the 'burbs (although some of this sentiment is due to reasons beyond just geographical localtion) on this very forum by members of the 416. You think people in Mississauga are going to be gung-ho about supporting a team they have to share with Windsor AND London ?

What about the fact that some of the arenas in question have only about 7000 seats. These arenas were built with minor league hockey in mind, I don't think it's a simple (or even plausible) case of blowing the roof and doubling the capacity of some of these arenas (and they would still be inadequate).

And to counter your idea about opening up the other arenas so people can watch for a nominal fee, that doesn't take into account the fact that the arena could make more money hosting another event. Let alone the fact, that you aren't even close to making up the difference in lost revenue with a larger arena and luxury boxes.

And yes I realize there are some smaller arenas in the NHL but a.) in their current condition they still have a large number of luxury boxes, and b.) these arenas are set to be replaced by larger arenas with more seats and more luxury boxes.
 
I don't like the idea of a team named "Redcoats". I've never heard of the "redcoats" until now. I also don't like the idea of a roving/roaming team.

For purely selfish reasons, I'd like a Mississauga team. If I had to choose somewhere else, it'd be Hamilton.
 
I'd like to call them the "Redcoats" which alludes to kicking American butt circa 1812-14.

Columbus "Blue Jackets" celebrates Ohio's role in the Civil War so the precedent is there... and it will be amusing to know that no-one in the U.S. will have a clue what a "redcoat" is.

Toronto Redcoats
Hamilton Redcoats
Waterloo Redcoats
Niagara Redcoats

They all work.

The Waterloo Redcoats would have the added significance of commemorating the city's namesake.

How about the Hamilton Hammerheads?
 
I'd like to call them the "Redcoats" which alludes to kicking American butt circa 1812-14.

Columbus "Blue Jackets" celebrates Ohio's role in the Civil War so the precedent is there... and it will be amusing to know that no-one in the U.S. will have a clue what a "redcoat" is.

All Americans know the term 'redcoat' as it is the part of the lore of Paul Revere's and William Dawes' midnight ride in 1775 (of course, it was in reference to warning of the British army's advance and 'redcoat' wasn't used - 'regulars' was).
 
I'm suddenly reminded of the New War of 1812 Monument on the Waterfront... ;)

In related news, this may not be a one-pony race:

Hockey's bonfire of the bankruptcies

Coyotes win court ruling over prospective sale; Could Dallas Stars be next up for Chapter 11?
May 12, 2009
Record news services
Web edition

While the Phoenix Coyotes turned up the heat on the NHL yesterday, the owner of the Dallas Stars appears to be laying enough kindling and timber to start another bankruptcy bonfire.

The Coyotes won a court ruling that will force the NHL to tell all it knows about White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf's mysterious bid to purchase the Coyotes to a Phoenix bankruptcy court judge.

The NHL must produce all documents related to Reinsdorf's bid today, ruled judge Redfield Baum.

The league has said it was close to announcing Reinsdorf as a white knight who would keep the team in Glendale, Ariz., when Jerry Moyes thrust the Coyotes into bankruptcy. The Moyes camp wants to see how good the offer was.

"The purpose of the production is to examine the content of those discussions and the potential offer outstanding by Mr. Reinsdorf related to these purported interests," read the motion filed by Moyes lawyer Thomas Salerno.

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie has made a $212.5 million (all figures U.S.) offer to purchase the Coyotes and move them to Hamilton as part of the franchise's bankruptcy proceedings that are being challenged by the NHL.

But Phoenix is only one of the many franchises in trouble during the recession.

Tom Hicks, who owns the Dallas Stars and baseball's Texas Rangers, defaulted a month ago on $525 million in loans tied to the teams, starting the clock ticking in a showdown with lenders that could see the Stars end up in bankruptcy proceedings in October.

At the time, Hicks said he was trying to work out a new deal with his creditors, and perhaps bring in new investors, but has been mum on the situation since. Dallas Stars president Jeff Cogen referred calls to a public relations firm, which said there was "nothing" to report.

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly did not respond to an email. A group of 40 financial institutions and other investors hold the debt in Hicks Sports Group, which owns the two teams. It would take 180 days for lenders to foreclose on defaulted loans, according the standard deals involving the NHL.

That gives Hicks another five months to find alternate financing, but lenders are tight with their money these days, and those who follow sports financing closely worry it's inevitable that the Stars will follow the Coyotes into bankruptcy.

"He's heading in the same direction," said a broker specializing in sports financing, who didn't want his name used because of his dealings with the NHL.

"It could be the second team in Chapter 11," said Andrew Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College, who specializes in sports business. "When Hicks put himself in that circumstance, he's creating a lot of difficulty for himself. He's going to squirm a little bit. Whatever leverage he had, he loses some of it.

"You go to your creditors and try to re-organize your loans," added Zimbalist. "(If) they say no deal, you can declare bankruptcy or sell the franchise or go to other banks and borrow more money."

Hicks also co-owns Liverpool, a soccer team in England's Premier League, another franchise looking for new ownership. His holdings in Liverpool – shared with Montreal Canadiens owner George Gillett –are outside Hicks Sports Group.

None involved believe the Stars are in danger of moving. Dallas is believed to be a strong market with the team able to turn a profit, especially if it makes the playoffs.

It's been a bad year for bankruptcies and the NHL. William (Boots) Del Biaggio faces jail time after having been found guilty of fraud for the way he helped finance his minority purchase of the Nashville Predators.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Thrashers owners are fighting with each other, Tampa is looking for new investors and the New York Islanders are hinting at leaving unless they get a new arena.

"There could be other (bankrupt) teams down the road," said Zimbalist. "There are a lot of teams – as it were – skating on thin ice."
 

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