afransen
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Kids, teenagers, etc. don't seem to matter in your estimation? We need more hurried SUV school drops offs in school zones rather than letting kids use active transportation to safely get themselves to school?
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General cycling issues (Is Toronto bike friendly?)
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Obsidian
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Speciality banning people from suing the province for injury or death caused by these changes is them admitting they know it will make the street more dangerous, but they don't care.
evandyk
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This law already exists. The bill just restates existing law in the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act.
Andy_in_Toronto
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@Northern Light this is now the end of the cycling network of Toronto? Sad!
Northern Light
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I certainly hope not..........
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Well there doesn't seem like there is anything that can be done at this point, I cannot see this bill not passing and the bike lanes on Bloor, University and Yonge not being removed, with perhaps more in the future. Clearly any sense of opposition that Doug Ford gets is just making him double down even harder.
His party is still polling over 40%, I would not be surprised if they are re-elected.
I used to hate Not Just Bike's overwhelmingly negative attitude and outlook towards the future of cycling infrastructure in North America, but I understand it more now. Maybe it is just worth moving away from Toronto.
Clearly nuance and reason is lost in politics. Honestly, if the plan was to only remove the contentious new bike lanes in the western end of Bloor, I could at least understand. But it seems like this is being done out of spite, and of course to shift focus away from the parts of the bill pertaining to Highway 413.
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Andy_in_Toronto
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@Northern Light - What is giving you still hope?
Northern Light
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I'm far too cynical to be hopeful; but I'm also far too cynical to be unduly pessimistic.
I've seen it all, come and go........before and again.
There's not much I can add at this juncture............
Andy_in_Toronto
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@Northern Light light is what we need in this darkness. If I understand you correctly it can be put In essence, the author is expressing a kind of detached familiarity with whatever is being discussed, grounded in their past experiences. They're neither overly excited nor overly concerned, suggesting a "wait-and-see" approach.
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On an unrelated note, can anyone explain to me the shenanigans in terms of changing the definitions regarding e-bikes?
See https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/bills/parliament-43/session-1/bill-197
The definition of “bicycle” in subsection 1 (1) of the Highway Traffic Act is amended by striking out “a tricycle, a unicycle and a power-assisted bicycle” and substituting “a tricycle and a unicycle”.
The definition of “motor vehicle” in subsection 1 (1) of the Act is amended by striking out “a power-assisted bicycle”.
No person who is the owner or is in possession or control of a motor assisted bicycle shall permit a person who is under the age of 16 years to ride on, drive or operate the motor assisted bicycle on a highway.
I've seen some people Tweet about it, and I am confused, does it mean it will be illegal to carry a child on an e-bike?
To me it seems the more narrow definition of "power-assisted" bicycle is gone, and only the more broader definition of " motor assisted" bicycle remains.
See https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-business/bills/parliament-43/session-1/bill-197
The definition of “bicycle” in subsection 1 (1) of the Highway Traffic Act is amended by striking out “a tricycle, a unicycle and a power-assisted bicycle” and substituting “a tricycle and a unicycle”.
The definition of “motor vehicle” in subsection 1 (1) of the Act is amended by striking out “a power-assisted bicycle”.
No person who is the owner or is in possession or control of a motor assisted bicycle shall permit a person who is under the age of 16 years to ride on, drive or operate the motor assisted bicycle on a highway.
I've seen some people Tweet about it, and I am confused, does it mean it will be illegal to carry a child on an e-bike?
To me it seems the more narrow definition of "power-assisted" bicycle is gone, and only the more broader definition of " motor assisted" bicycle remains.
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Northern Light
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I would not say I'm not concerned.
Best case scenario (nothing happens to the bike lanes).......this will have consumed media space, public consciousness, served as a wedge issue and a distraction, and cost 7-figures worth of staff time between the province and Toronto and to a lesser degree other municipalities.
Worst case scenario is obvious enough,
With the remaining possible outcomes being something in between which will leave just about everyone unhappy.
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I don't want to get into the weeds on this at this point for a number of reasons. I'll simply say, I've been an advocate for improved public policy on a number of fronts for......wow.....I guess we're well over 30 years now.
Some of my ideas have come forward and still exist today; some came forward and were then reversed, in whole or in part.............others still were setback or delayed, but have since moved forward.
Whatever happens, the story isn't over. Its only over when you give up. I don't do that sort of thing, neither should you.
I’m that single person. And I have seen others. Not many, granted, because people don’t realize that it’s doable with a kid’s bike trailer. It’s actually a money saver because you have to be more conscious of how much space you have to pack.
PL1
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I'll bike to Costco to pick up a few things. I once went with my large camping backpack, bought more than intended, and had bags tied on the outside of it. Now if I buy too much, I'll Lyft home (because I use Bikeshare most of the time now)
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.nfitz
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Their first saying that removing the bike lanes won't effect safety - and now protect themselves so they don't get sued, is the kind of stuff that doesn't sell well with the electorate - if they bike or not.
This may get fun.
This may get fun.