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G-20 Summit in Toronto

The Toronto Star has more details about the young women that were arrested and subjected to FULL BODY STRIP SEARCHES by MALE officers !

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/829854--outraged-protestors-rally-against-police?bn=1

In one instance an UNDERAGE teenage girl was forced to urinate in front of a MALE police officer.

I wonder how many UNDERAGE girls were subjected to STRIP SEARCHES for the pleasure of the MALE officers?

This would constitute a major SEX CRIME on the part of the cops and this needs to be fully investigated by an outside police force.
 
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This allegation should be easy to verify. Someone call Bob Kinnear. If true, you need to immediately slap yourself on the head if you're a police officer.

"One fully-uniformed TTC streetcar driver was arrested for hours. He had been ordered out of his streetcar by riot police and was immediately arrested. We wish we were kidding."

Um, so just what are the IQ requirements for riot police these days?

Anyone?

...

Bueller?


*sigh*
 
Police, being human beings, always work in overwhelming numbers in order to stifle potential violent individual or group actions, and to protect themselves from injury.

I was on Queen when the two police cruisers were set on fire. Apparently, both vehicles were being used to escort peaceful marchers when they ended up being halted during another protest. I was pretty disgusted to watch adults jump around like lunatics while they destroyed public property. I was disgusted when I saw the confused face of a nearby child as he watched a group of adults cheer as the vehicle burned (by that point, both cars had been thoroughly looted). I was disgusted that I had to shout at these idiotic people to move away from the car as it burned since the tires were likely to explode and the fuel line rupture. Not that it got any of them to move. They jumped around the vehicles like it was a campfire. They only ran like hell when the tires started to explode. Finally, I was disgusted that, had that vehicle been a few feet closer to the curb, nearby buildings on Queen would probably have burned.

You see, the fire department wasn't able to come into an area where they faced physical injury or destruction of equipment from a mob that was clearly out of control. Also, the police were not going to use tear gas as there were homes in the immediate area. They had to collect up an overwhelming force to move the mob off.

Yeah, I guess we all have our issues that we are disgusted about.
 
The Toronto Star has more details about the young women that were arrested and subjected to FULL BODY STRIP SEARCHES by MALE officers !

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/829854--outraged-protestors-rally-against-police?bn=1

In one instance an UNDERAGE teenage girl was forced to urinate in front of a MALE police officer.

I wonder how many UNDERAGE girls were subjected to STRIP SEARCHES by the MALE officers?

This would constitute a major SEX CRIME on the part of the cops and this needs to be fully investigated by an outside police force.

I don't know if you can really take what the demonstrators are saying at today's rally at face value - they're quite understandably very peeved at their treatment over the weekend (mainly Sunday) and so emotions were probably running quite high. Not saying the girl was lying, but...

With regards to being investigated by an outside police force, I think there were police forces from pretty much all the major jurisdictions across Canada working alongside TPS on the weekend, so to prevent a conflict of interest you can't use one of those forces to do the investigation.

In fact, the only major force which probably DIDN'T contribute any manpower is.... wait for it... the Quebec Provincial Police (Surete du Quebec). And you know what, let's not even go there :) Suffice to say, all parties will take great pains to avoid even using their name in a sentence :)
 
As countless videos attest, the behaviour of the police was deplorable towards regular people, and inexplicably innocuous towards the black bloc. As Peepers suggests, there needs to be a massive inquiry that leads to punishment (jailing) of many police officers who used their power to assault innocent people rather than stop the few vandals (i.e. do their job). Said video is disgusting and indicative that the police were the perpetrators of violence this weekend. Black bloc broke some chain store windows, while police bullied and violated the rights of thousands. Which is more important?
 
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Ha ha..

great video.. everyone is a brave star and mouthy jackass until they get put in 'real' situation.

it is kinda like a horro film, they come out of the gates and get you.
Hahaha I couldn't stop laughing watching the end of that video. So glad to see these mouthy idiots get their comeuppance.

Wow, some of you guys are disgusting. Only the lowliest piece of trash would find delight in seeing another person come to harm, regardless of how “deserved†you armchair moralists may find it to be. I guess empathy is not yet available at your current level of intellectual development.
 
Here is a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT of the SEX ABUSE committed by the police. According to the imprisoned reporter a young woman was "fingered" as part of a strip search. I wonder if this was one of the STRIP SEARCHES of young Females performed for the pleasure of MALE officers?

http://vimeo.com/12925239
 
And if Miller continues to claim the police did nothing wrong, with mounting evidence that there were beatings, systemic abuse at the detention facility, and the mass arrest of non-protesters, then he should resign as well.
And Joe Pants can become interim mayor for four months, vastly increase his profile, and win the election in October. Brilliant! But I digress.....

Large cities can no longer afford to partially shut down even for a few days to hold these events. No one benefits. Hold them in remote places, or teleconference, or don't hold them at all. Who still cares about seeing these leaders meeting at the same time and place? Besides which their deputies and underlings do most of the grunt work anyway, and they can have regular conferences that don't waste anywhere near the same resources.

Toronto got absolutely nothing out of this, and in the end, it was a complete waste of time and money. Let's do it again in eight years! :p
 
I heard that contained within the $1.1 billion G20 Summit budget, there's $55 million set aside for contigency. Couldn't businessowner compensations come out of that? At any rate, I heard on the news that the total amount of damage including the torched cop cruisers is only $500k. Sounds kinda low. I also wonder how businesses will go about assessing lost revenue overall during the summit.
 
The problem with all of the complaints is multifold:
1) The natural tendency of humans to oversensationalize their own memory when stressed. People frequently come up with grander stories than what actually happened, because that's just how they remember it. Doesn't mean it's true. If you deal with enough people on a daily basis then you will realize that this is the way it is. Perhaps you yourself had exaggerated a story or two of your own (i.e. spinning out on the highway in the snow suddenly becomes spun out three times, almost hit by a truck!). Stories are ALWAYS over sensationalized. One prime example is how Steve Palkin said that his experience at the Novotel was scarier than ethnic cleansing in Bosnia...

2) No one who ever does anything wrong is going to admit it. With few exceptions, people in general are very hesitant to admit fault or mistakes. When actually accused of something, people will try their hardest to make themselves 'innocent'. I doubt many of these people who say that they were just out for a nice stroll to get some milk in the middle of a huge protest that you could hear a mile away are telling the truth. But since there's no way to prove it either way, our system of journalism takes their comments at face value. For instance, notice how the mainstream press always depicts global warming, and then will show off the 'other side' by showing complete wackjobs saying it's all fake but giving them just as much credibility? It's part of our media system of being 'unbiased' that people are taken at face value and not questioned in order to show as many 'viewpoints' as possible. The more sensational the comment (and the less institutional) the better.

3) People in detention giving all of these grevious stories of their 14-17 hours in detention. I liked reading in the paper how some people were comparing it to torture because it was cold and they only had 2 cheese sandwiches. I would like to reserve judgment until the actual people come forward with real evidence. Does 'strip search' mean that they had their underwear on? Does peeing in front of an officer mean, officers were somewhere nearby and not looking? Does being 'fingered' by the police mean a hand brushed by there? You can see how easily things can be misconstrued, overstated and just remembered wrong in a tense situation. So it's really hard to say. I'm going to say for sure, everyone got some kind of cheese sandwich (but maybe only 1) and it was sort of cold in there, maybe 15-20 degrees in the least which was how cold it was outside.

4) Police aren't perfect, and violence is part of their every day job. If you work alongside police enough, you will see them with some pretty bad criminals/drunks/schitzophrenics on a daily basis. People who are unpredictably violent and will only respond to force. Police are used to operating in this environment, which is use a lot of force to get the person they are holding to stand down. Obviously this doesn't work very well in a protest standpoint, but really how many 'professional riot police' are there in Canada, versus regular cops used to using a bit of force to put down a violent drunk every weekend? It's like getting professional hockey players to play a game with normal people and hope that no one gets hurt when they are checked. So what the average person may view was 'police beatings', from their point of view or even from the point of view of another impartial observer, it's the police using physical force to pin down someone they have in their custody. Yes they police are rough, but what are you expecting exactly? You can't deprogram that from them, skills which they NEED to perform their normal jobs effectively and safely.

5) A lot of these protesters were baiting the police. I was out on Saturday and I saw a ton of people swearing at police, shouting at them, staring them down. Basically doing anything they could to get a reaction, which is exactly what they wanted. The police are human too, and while they are trained professionals, under a high stress environment, and especially if they see actual troublemakers (vs normal protesters) mixed in, they will move. People think the police are like those Buckingham palace guards that stand perfectly still no matter what you do or something, but I'm sorry that isn't their job.

6) There's certainly some bad apples out there. Like the general public, the police are not immune to making sexist, racist, and homophobic remarks. That's just life. There's also cops out there who are TOO violent and no doubt some abuses did occur, although more likely on an individual level and not as a matter of policy. In any large group of people, it's extremely hard, even impossible to root out all bad apples or get people to act perfectly all the time. Even the calmest people can get agitated with enough stress, and when you have 20,000 cops, all you need is a few to be stressed and be over the top to tar the image of all the police (much like how the Black Bloc tarnished the image of the mostly peaceful protesters).

Mix in all of these mitigating factors and you are basically guaranteed to get bad stories of police brutality and so on. Does this mean democracy doesn't exist? Certainly not. Does this mean the police force as a whole is horrible? Absolutely not. Does this mean that some mistakes were made, yup.

I for one am just glad that the leaders were protected well, no deaths or serious injuries seemed to have occurred, and that there wasn't any actual wide spread rioting (didn't more stuff get trashed in Montreal when the Habs won a playoff round?).
 
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As countless videos attest, the behaviour of the police was deplorable towards regular people, and inexplicably innocuous towards the black bloc. As Peepers suggests, there needs to be a massive inquiry that leads to punishment (jailing) of many police officers who used their power to assault innocent people rather than stop the few vandals (i.e. do their job). Said video is disgusting and indicative that the police were the perpetrators of violence this weekend. Black bloc broke some chain store windows, while police bullied and violated the rights of thousands. Which is more important?

Sadly, I have to agree with you, but I don't think the police should be jailed and I think the Black bloc were violent as well.I generally trust, respect and commend the police for doing their job. However, this weekend leaves a bad taste in my mouth. My daughter and friend were downtown on Saturday, just to see what was going on and not to protest anything. She left as soon as the trouble started. It makes me mad that the police acted as they did and could have just as easily assaulted my daughter for just standing there. I've lived in Toronto all my life and this is the first time I've felt that the authorities acted like this was a police state. I'm mad and disappointed at the handling of this situation. I can't believe the police let the thugs do what they did and just stood there. I find it even harder to believe that in Canada, the police would assault innocent people that are legitimately protesting (non-violently). And that they acted with over-the-top aggressiveness on Sunday, when it seemed obvious that the people protesting were not all dressed in black and were not threatening. They were just standing, sitting and chanting slogans.
 


I have reported from war zones in Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Lebanon, and Israel.

But last night's confrontation between peaceful demonstrators and riot squad police was the scariest situation I've ever been in, in almost 30 years of reporting.


how do you get "his experience at the Novotel was scarier than ethnic cleansing in Bosnia" ?

it's quite possible to feel somewhat safe in a nation that is at war if you're in the right location and with security escorts. also, was he witnessing ethnic cleansing? was it happening a few feet away from him? did he even say "scarier than ethnic cleansing in Bosnia" ?

my experience in the toronto earthquake was scarier than when i was in the province of ontario during the vaughan tornadoes. i was in the earthquake but i was kilometres away from the tornadoes. yes, tornadoes are scarier but your levels of fear are usually affected by your proximity to such dangers.

location location location!
 
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Also disconcerting..............

Via Jim Harris (former leader of the Federal Green Party (and a conservative business person)

Jim Harris
Judy Rebick
on FB: I was on CP 24 at
noon with Bill McCormick, Prez of the Police Assn and he said his
members were under orders not to arrest to black bloc people while they
were breaking windows and setting fire to cars. One commentor on Judy's page: "So the policing strategy was to allow wonton destruction of property to
occur in front of dozens of officers by a handful of violent people."

I want to know more about this... and I think "Bill McCormick" is Mike McCormick?
 

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