BMO
Senior Member
I'm at work so will be brief in this post, but if your family chose to buy and live in the suburbs, then they DID have a hand in supporting the sprawling crap. So they should live with their choice! As for you, I don't know...I don't know how old you are, so you may be too young to make your own choices, and if so I hope that when you can make your own choices, they wont be to perpetuate the suburban nightmare.
As for not being able to afford housing in the city...check your facts! There's plenty of housing options that don't require leapfrog sprawling development...YES, it may mean you'll have to live in a smaller place. Awwwww... Get over it...you might actually like it given your increased accessibility.
Oh, and the reason that 'high-order' transit should be reserved for urbanites is b/c WE HAVE THE DENSITY TO SUPPORT IT...or do you expect that we subsidize your transit rides b/c the suburbs don't have the density to justify the costs of providing subway service to them? Haven't we been subsiding them enough already (in Toronto's inner suburbs)?
I didn't vote for him...the inner suburbanites did. I supported Transit City, except that I wished it included a DRL.
That's it for now...will respond more later.
Downtown urban hipster over and out.
You are thickheaded...
Sprawl is all relative to the size of the city...Yonge and Eglinton was considered sprawl at some point too...in fact the forest hills area still has very low-density housing, I don't see you chastising them. They purchased sprawling housing stock in their respective time...
To complain about suburban neighbourhoods that are over 50 yrs old, and giving them a lecture on sprawl isn't going to help anybody. These people aren't going to all of the sudden see the light and ditch their home in favour of living downtown. So acting like they should be neglected will not help your cause and it won't help theirs.
Yes I'm sure there are some very cheap houses in the inner city. And I'm sure many of those areas would not have been desirable for social reasons, which could range anywhere from crime, to ethnic diversity. Awwww...Toronto's not so perfect. And how many affordable apartments are built to handle large families? Yea no kidding....
Because downtown has the density to support higher order transit? I'm sorry but by no means is the B-D line or the Spadina, or the Sheppard line dense. Congrats, one line of the entire subway system is dense.
Higher order transit's definition as per google dictionary is: Transit that generally operates in its own dedicated right-of-way, outside of mixed traffic,and therefore can achieve a frequency of service greater than mixed-traffic transit.
Now this doesn't mean a bus going by every minute, but it means a reliable and dependable means of transportation. Having a BRT route (which by the way is being built int he suburbs) is quite effectively a higher-order transit option. It's used around the world bud.
Saying that downtown residents subsidize suburban transit is completely false. I don't have time to delve into the reasons why right now because I too am at work.
You didn't vote for Ford, congrats here's a moral high-five,it's called a democracy, a general population votes and makes a decision as a whole. Just because you didn't vote for Ford doesn't mean the vast majority of residents didn't want him. What I'm pointing out is that people voted for him as a reactionary effect of the lack of support to the suburbs from the previous administration. Let's not forget that over 8million people live in the GTA, who rely on toronto for work. When you look at it in the grand scheme of things, Toronto proper is about 3.5 million, which means that a vast proportion, if not the majority, are suburbanites. (i'll say it again for what seems like the 100th time) taking away capacity from the existing road network downtown in favour of transit downtown does nothing to address the issues of congestion. The key to tackling congestion is providing better and more effective transit in the suburbs so that those people don't go downtown. Whether you improve the streetcar downtown isn't going to stop people who need to drive downtown from the suburbs. Improved GO train service will.