Debate on the merits of the Scarborough Subway Extension

[sixrings]

If etobicoke is serviced sufficiently by good access to the spadina line then aren't you also saying that scarborough would be sufficiently serviced with good access to a drl?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

North York has a much better rapid transit service than Scarborough; two subway lines straight to downtown, with multiple stops. I live between those two lines and know first-hand how handy they are.

For the 11 Billionth time, North York has the best service in the city, because its located in the centre of the City of Toronto and the GTHA. Any transit line connecting to the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton must travel through North York. It'll always have more subways than anywhere else in the city.

The fact that the city core generates lots of money and some of those are used to subsidize services in the suburbs, isn't in any way unique to Toronto. Many smaller towns and rural areas, too, are subsidized by revenues collected in big cities. That's the way the moderns financial systems work; it doesn't imply that downtown residents work more than suburbanites, or earn the right to look down at them.

And nobody was suggesting otherwise. The only reason this discussion is happening was because Coffey1 insinuated that somehow Scarborough was paying for subways elsewhere in the city, which is demonstrably false.

 

[syn]

Coffey1 and OneCity are the same person?

 

[sixrings]

Coffey1 and OneCity are the same person?

This is the assumption from the post similarities combined with Coffey1 being banned and then OneCity account opening immediately after. I dont expect the person to ever admit they are the same person though.

 

[OneCity]

For the 11 Billionth time, North York has the best service in the city, because its located in the centre of the City of Toronto and the GTHA. Any transit line connecting to the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton must travel through North York. It'll always have more subways than anywhere else in the city.

Actually North York is located mainly north of the centre of Toronto? Similarly Scarborough is east of the centre of Toronto and more so to the dismay of some here if we are looking at the Centre of amalgamated Toronto. Both North York and Scarborough are similar in size, population, transit agency and City as to which it pays transit taxes into. But not similar in transit infrastructure. This geographical bias, disproportionate and poorly connected transit building is part of why were are in this mess. But continue to blame Scarborough residents for demanding some form transit equity or atleast better connectivity to the main infrastructure that exists in this City.

Using your logic of "Any transit line connecting to the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton must travel through North York. It'll always have more subways than anywhere else in the city". The same can be applied the any transit line connecting downtown that travel east of Yonge must travel through Scarborough

You can repeat things 11 billion times. But when all it is geographical bias against 25% of the City's population, who endured the transit disaster of a disconnected RT lemon thru their City centre for decades I'm really not sure its worth repeating further. Thankfully this ideology of will not be an issue a couple decades from now.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Actually North York is located mainly north of the centre of Toronto?

The geographic centre of Toronto is located in North York; Lawrence Park to be precise. North York is also a lot closer to Toronto's business and political centre than Scarborough. Surely it doesn't need to be explained to you why, in a radial network, locations closer to the centre will have greater service densities than locations on the periphery (such as Etobicoke and Scarborough).

Rapid transit lines in North York simultaneously serve Etobicoke and Scarborough (for downtown bound travel), due to the centrality of the borough. Rapid transit lines in Etobicoke or Scarborough only serve Etobicoke and Scarborough respectively.

Using your logic of "Any transit line connecting to the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton must travel through North York. It'll always have more subways than anywhere else in the city". The same can be applied the any transit line connecting downtown that travel east of Yonge must travel through Scarborough

Are you being intentionally obtuse? North York starts roughly north of Eglinton. Scarborough doesn't start anywhere near Yonge Street. You can't possibly build a rapid transit line running north from the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton without entering North York (at least not without an unnatural detour)

 

[OneCity]

The geographic centre of Toronto is located in North York; Lawrence Park to be precise. North York is also a lot closer to Toronto's business and political centre than Scarborough. Surely it doesn't need to be explained to you why, in a radial network, locations closer to the centre will have greater service densities than locations on the periphery (such as Etobicoke and Scarborough).

Rapid transit lines in North York simultaneously serve Etobicoke and Scarborough (for downtown bound travel), due to the centrality of the borough. Rapid transit lines in Etobicoke or Scarborough only serve Etobicoke and Scarborough respectively.



Are you being intentionally obtuse? North York starts roughly north of Eglinton. Scarborough doesn't start anywhere near Yonge Street. You can't possibly build a rapid transit line running north from the downtown core that travels north of Eglinton without entering North York (at least not without an unnatural detour)

Your grasping at straws trying to justify the minor distance between downtown and NYCC and SCC and why pretty much all else is equal except transit should be drastically different. And surely you will have some imaginary central lines that justify VMC over SCC as well, or some reasoning why the Scarborough residents should be consequence connecting into North Yorks "justified" subway stub? The excuses not to properly connect Scarborough centre have costed us far more than if was done as per Scarborough's request pre streetcar/RT, and pre Miller LRT. And has left the door wide open for this type of Potlical scrutiny.

 

[syn]

Your grasping at straws trying to justify the minor distance between downtown and NYCC and SCC and why pretty much all else is equal except transit should be drastically different. And surely you will have some imaginary central lines that justify VMC over SCC as well, or some reasoning why the Scarborough residents should be consequence connecting into North Yorks "justified" subway stub? The excuses not to properly connect Scarborough centre have costed us far more than if was done as per Scarborough's request pre streetcar/RT, and pre Miller LRT. And has left the door wide open for this type of Potlical scrutiny.

Now that your nonsense about Scarborough funding everything has been discredited, is this your new argument? Everything is nearly the same distance away??

NYCC is about 11km from Yonge and Bloor (in a straight line). STC is anywhere from 21-28km depending on the route taken. The one stop extension is 6km from Kennedy for crying out loud.

 

[syn]

This is the assumption from the post similarities combined with Coffey1 being banned and then OneCity account opening immediately after. I dont expect the person to ever admit they are the same person though.

Makes sense.

 

[pstogios]

This is the assumption from the post similarities combined with Coffey1 being banned and then OneCity account opening immediately after. I dont expect the person to ever admit they are the same person though.

He has admitted both aliases are the same person.

Coffey1 was banned for personal attacks on people pointing out his stupidity. As “OneCity”, he has toned down the personal attacks, but the stupidity is very much still there.

 

[pstogios]

Both North York and Scarborough are similar in size, population, transit agency and City as to which it pays transit taxes into.

It’s convenient for you that you purposely didn’t point out that Scarborough and North York differ in population density which of course is the most important factor in choosing transit mode. Density as a consideration was actually just pointed out a few messages before yours...but of course you ignored it.

But not being ignorant of the facts has never been your forte, as coffey1 or OneCity.

Instead, you fall back again on the paranoia / psychotic complex / conspiracy theorizing / anger / resentment memes you constantly peddle in.

 

[Juan_Lennon416]

All of you need to be a time-out!

 

[aquateam]

Coffey1 was banned for personal attacks on people pointing out his stupidity. As “OneCity”, he has toned down the personal attacks, but the stupidity is very much still there.

You can't complain about personal attacks in exact same sentence that you make a personal attack...

 

[Leo_Chan]

Can someone confirm that this is the most toxic thread on the forums?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Now that your nonsense about Scarborough funding everything has been discredited, is this your new argument? Everything is nearly the same distance away??

NYCC is about 11km from Yonge and Bloor (in a straight line). STC is anywhere from 21-28km depending on the route taken. The one stop extension is 6km from Kennedy for crying out loud.

I can't believe this discussion has devolved into whether to not North York is closer to Downtown than Scarborough, or whether or not North York is more centrally located in Toronto, especially relative to Scarborough and Etobicoke; plainly self-evident geographic realities. You really have to be world class delusional to convince yourself that North York is no more centrally located (relative to Toronto) than Scarborough is.

Fun fact: Mississauga City Centre is only 4 km further from Downtown than Scarborough Town Centre. But, yes, somehow STC is no further away than North York