Rainforest
Senior Member
One city was originally against the SRT alignment
for a good reasons explained above
and anything else is revisionist history
you didn't prove it and you can't.
One city was originally against the SRT alignment
and anything else is revisionist history
I never said he was for a one stop subway. But he was never an advocate of the RT corridor, in fact he outright dismissed it until after it appeared he would not get extra stations on the mccowan route. Then he flip flopped to the RT route in hopes of added stops. My point was one that he has flip flopped but he attacked others for wanting to flip flop back to LRT in the past because it would add to the cost of the project and delay it. If you are against flip flopping I believe it should be pretty much universal, not just when the context suits you.How can anyone rational be for a 6 kilometre long tunnel with zero intermediate stops if alternatives exist and are plausible? The biggest selling point of the McCowan alignment was the convenient direct access to Scarborough General Hospital and brisk 5 minute bus ride to the densely populated Cedarbrae and Woburn areas. The loss of that one station (for seemingly ridiculous reasons... if you want to complain about deep cavernous stations why not take a visit to Montreal sometime) puts the whole project at risk in my view.
I still strongly believe that Bloor-Danforth's natural terminus is the Town Centre, it's just the getting there that's where all the contention lies. I won't wade into the name calling and accusations, but both sides ought to agree by now that Scarborough is relatively underserved compared to most other parts of the City which is why the investment is going there at this time. DRL, Eglinton Crosstown expansion will come with their own independent funding schemes; just give Line 2 this one bone.
I never said he was for a one stop subway. But he was never an advocate of the RT corridor, in fact he outright dismissed it until after it appeared he would not get extra stations on the mccowan route. Then he flip flopped to the RT route in hopes of added stops. My point was one that he has flip flopped but he attacked others for wanting to flip flop back to LRT in the past because it would add to the cost of the project and delay it. If you are against flip flopping I believe it should be pretty much universal, not just when the context suits you.
How can anyone rational be for a 6 kilometre long tunnel with zero intermediate stops if alternatives exist and are plausible? The biggest selling point of the McCowan alignment was the convenient direct access to Scarborough General Hospital and brisk 5 minute bus ride to the densely populated Cedarbrae and Woburn areas. The loss of that one station (for seemingly ridiculous reasons... if you want to complain about deep cavernous stations why not take a visit to Montreal sometime) puts the whole project at risk in my view.
I still strongly believe that Bloor-Danforth's natural terminus is the Town Centre, it's just the getting there that's where all the contention lies. I won't wade into the name calling and accusations, but both sides ought to agree by now that Scarborough is relatively underserved compared to most other parts of the City which is why the investment is going there at this time. DRL, Eglinton Crosstown expansion will come with their own independent funding schemes; just give Line 2 this one bone.
I appreciate you taking time to dig out those old quotes, but IMO the described evolution of thoughts isn't "flip-flopping" but a reasonable response to the changing conditions.
The 3-stop McCowan subway route is better than the SRT-corridor subway route, therefore the McCowan route deserved support when it was projected to have 3 stops.
The 1-stop MCowan route isn't any better than the SRT-corridor subway route, therefore if we can't get 3-stops, it is reasonable to revisit the SRT corridor option.
Switching back to light rail would cause political problems in addition to technical problems, therefore it is still not a good idea.
If you demand a strict adherence to a line of thought once selected, regardless to the changing circumstances, then you appear to be against the notion of re-examining one's believes advocated in your other post.
Not about money (it would be massive), but alignments.
Can someone clarify this for me? Is the whole Subway vs LRT debate only because of limited funds to spend on Scarborough?
Tory has already voted in favor of this stop recently, Ford will surely campaign strongly on the fact it was taken away, and given the vote only lost by 2 it wont take much. I imagine who ever wins Ward 44 will add 1 vote as they were absent and that means only one vote would be required to soften from the middle if Tory wins and reality sets in. The outcome may have to do with whether the 30% design vote comes before or after the election