Ansem
Banned
Some Scarborough Councillors better rethink their future careers
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Some Scarborough Councillors better rethink their future careers
Ansem
Banned
It was, but Ford shut down the idea because he didn't see the difference between at grade and elevated. He was obsess with underground
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Sigh... I still have a sliver of hope that Metrolinx will decide to ignore Council and elevate Eglinton East. I know it wont happen, but a man can dream...
Bojaxs
Active Member
Building 2 types of transit on the same line, within the city boundaries is 'DUMB" and poor planning.
Countless studies have shown that the general public will be less likely to take transit if they have to transfer.
Bloor and Danforth subway should be extended to Scarborough and the Sheppard line should be all subway or convert the Sheppard subway into underground LRT and make the whole line an LRT line.
I'm traveling in one direction and now I need to transfer to keep going in the same direction. HERP DERP!!!!
Countless studies have shown that the general public will be less likely to take transit if they have to transfer.
Bloor and Danforth subway should be extended to Scarborough and the Sheppard line should be all subway or convert the Sheppard subway into underground LRT and make the whole line an LRT line.
I'm traveling in one direction and now I need to transfer to keep going in the same direction. HERP DERP!!!!
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Based on the talks that I had with Metrolinx planners, they definitely see the merit in it, but don't want to step too much into the political debate of it. If Stintz were to bring that up at Council though and have it pass, I'm pretty sure Metrolinx would accept the decision in a heartbeat, even if it delays that portion of the line by a couple of years. Get it right the first time.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Too bad they are discussing a scarborough subway instead of an elevated ECRLT.
denfromoakvillemilton
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why underground lrt?
kEiThZ
Superstar
The politicians fear voters far more than they fear Metrolinx bureaucrats. That goes for both MPPs and city Councillors.
Bojaxs
Active Member
Because it makes no sense to make half the Sheppard line a subway and the other half an above ground LRT.
Convert the Sheppard subway into an underground LRT and make Sheppard a seamless LRT line just like the one they're constructing for Eglinton.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Do you actually take transit in Scarborough?
I would most certainly prefer a BRT on Sheppard and a subway on the SRT corridor. The BRT means that bus routes to Don Mills can be designed without requiring transfers. As planned, if you are anywhere off Sheppard, using the LRT automatically means a transfer.
Ditto for the SRT replacement subway. Station at McCowan and Sheppard would be a huge boon to half of northern Scarborough. Most of northern Scarborough would be within a 20 minute bus ride of this station. Most of Malvern and Agincourt would be within 10 minutes of the station. And they'd have no transfer at Kennedy. A huge boost in customer service as far as I'm concerned.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I agree we (Scarberians) should just suck it up while the LRT gets built. If that means people have to take a bus to the STC for four years then so be it. Its not like the rest of Scarborough already doesn't have to take typically more than one bus to the STC already (I for instance have to take either a bus and then the SRT or two buses). Bus transferring is just a part of life out here.
This isn't about getting to STC. This is about getting to (or rather through) Kennedy. From the edge of Malvern, there are bus routes that sometimes take 30 minutes or more to get to STC. Once the SRT is closed, there will be a lot of people in Scarborough facing hour long bus rides just to get to Kennedy.
You can bet that those voters won't react very kindly to facing that for half a decade and being hit with taxes at the same time, that could easily add up to a thousand dollars or more per household.
You can ignore public sentiment if you want. But you can bet Hudak and Ford will be ready to use the resulting palpable anger to their electoral advantage. Seems to me that some people didn't learn their lesson from Ford getting elected at the last election and want to help Hudak win provincially.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Exactly this. Sheppard as planned is just moronic. To travel down Sheppard, you'd have to take an LRT, a subway and a bus. Dysfunctional and disjointed. Either go LRT end-to-end (West to the Zoo) or extend the subway westward and build curbside bus lanes at either end.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Why? Are we trying to build subway-lite on Eglinton or to provide local service? Once they start elevating, station spacing will increase dramatically.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Sheppard is a separate issue - as problematic as the existing proposal is, given the fixed increase of 500M funding the priority should be placed on extending BD. Assuming that there is support from Scarborough, I see no reason why the project can't proceed concurrently with DRL.
AoD
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kEiThZ
Superstar
Exactly. I really don't understand why people are tying this discussion to the DRL.