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That's not a one story podium... there's a 20 foot tall recreation facility being framed in steel right now that will sit on top of that concrete. The end result will be a decent 3 story equivalent streetwall.
The site is so massive that there is no reason a "real" downtown-style neighbourhood couldn't be established.
^ the problem isn't streetwall... it's street animation. Who wants to wander by a private club/amenity or podiums that have one convenience store and entrance to a condo?
Amazing work 3D. Your point is really well made. I hope that other strips of the city such as Queen W. don't have skyscrapers (or even 10-12 story) right up against the street in the future--but instead keep the 3-6 story scale and place towers behind them. I think your point is well made about street animation. Your mock-ups also show that this type of planning would be more attractive and have so much more character.^ the problem isn't streetwall... it's street animation. Who wants to wander by a private club/amenity or podiums that have one convenience store and entrance to a condo? The grocery store is there to service the "new" population but it's hardly a destination for anyone else.
I really don't get it.... how our planners can understand the value of scale and animation at the street for planned mega projects like West Donalds (crosses fingers) and East Bayfront, and allow giant, one-dimensional "private" amenity structures and podiums to meet what could be a great new avenue (FT York Blvd).
Even the new park may say "welcome to Cityplace" more than welcome to Toronto.
It ain't rocket science.....
As ridiculous as this may seem to some, the jumbled, faux historical mishmash of planned neighbourhoods like Markham Centre have the potential to grow into real, human scale neighbourhoods... if the trees grow and the vendor profile becomes eclectic enough ... people will indeed start to see this as a destination, rather than just an outdoor mall. Small streets, jumble of architecture et al... in time it will look lived in and the scale will be inviting.
Toronto actually has reasons and references to build this kind of streetwall... namely every successful neighbourhood in the city.
Excuse the crappy render but you can see what I mean... there's no reason that the density of Cityplace towers cannot be maintained, the glorious private superclubs set back away from the street, and a mixed character streetwall established...