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Church-Wellesley Village

A NOW article on the current state of the village

It is mostly a rehash of arguments as to why the strip has so many vacancies and what could happen in the next year. The whole rent rates vs. economy vs. trends in and the diffusion of the LGBT community discussion.

But there is one interesting bit in it I did not know:

Next summer, two 22-foot illuminated structures will be installed on Church to mark the north and south ends of the village.

So what will these giant 22-foot erections be?
 
This whole bylaw on dance clubs doesn't make sense. You can open up endless bars where people can get wasted out of their minds, but add in a dance floor and suddenly it's an affront to the community?
 
One thing’s for certain – the closed venues are certainly not going to make Councillor Rae rethink the bylaw keeping new dance clubs out of the area. “Nobody wants the entertainment district in the neighbourhood, especially with all the new residential [units]. It’s not going to happen,” Rae says.
Nobody wants all the clubs in the city in a single "Entertainment District" either Kyle, but that's what we got.
 
Its funny what you see - I walked past there yesterday and didn't spot the paper in the windows but did see a Civic with a Hero Burger logo on the door.

A decent (?) burger joint in this neighborhood should be good.

Hero Burger is just absolutely delicious if you ask me. :D
 
Thanks for posting that article. It was an interesting read. Now almost in my 30s and looking back to when I used to hit the village in my "younger" years. I find that it just doesn't seem to appeal to me anymore. There's really no place to sit down and talk over a nice martini or glass of wine which isn't a pub, bar, or restaurant. There really isn't any nice lounges in comparison to places such as Little Italy, Queen West, and Danforth. I feel I'm past the stage of wanting to hang out with friends and having to yell over loud music or having to watch half naked men dance on a dance floor.

Anyone remember when Blu Cafe was around? That was a nice place. I used to go there ALL the time and I'm a HUGE Starbucks, so that speaks volumes when an independent can take you away from a chain.

The article brings up a good point that the younger generations don't feel the need to hang out at "gay only" places as they feel more safe and accepted within the city. In the past speaking from personal experience when I've dated someone and have gone to a "straight" lounge or bar, we still held hands at the table, we still gave each other that innocent kiss.

I hope that someday someone taps into the niche of the 30 something crowd. I really feel that there is a missing niche there in the village, someone who doesn't truly want to hang out in a loud pub/bar but doesn't want to go to a restaurant either. I think a lounge would be nice there. Maybe take a few pointers from places in Little Italy or Queen West.
 
^ Me and my wife went to Blu almost every day for our morning coffee and would sometimes meet people upstairs in the evening. It was a very stylish place with fresh food and I don't know why it didn't make it. I miss it too.
 
Hero Burger is just absolutely delicious if you ask me. :D

My roommate hadn't seen the Hero Burger signs and I'd have thought it was Christmas again when I told him about Hero Burger coming to C+W, he's a burger junkie and loves the place. I've never tried them myself, not really my thing. He said that Lettieri's is the same company as Hero Burger and that some Hero Burger locations have Lettieri's built into them. Too bad they don't have the space to do that here, I miss Lettieri's already.

Thanks for posting that article. It was an interesting read. Now almost in my 30s and looking back to when I used to hit the village in my "younger" years. I find that it just doesn't seem to appeal to me anymore. There's really no place to sit down and talk over a nice martini or glass of wine which isn't a pub, bar, or restaurant. There really isn't any nice lounges in comparison to places such as Little Italy, Queen West, and Danforth. I feel I'm past the stage of wanting to hang out with friends and having to yell over loud music or having to watch half naked men dance on a dance floor.

Anyone remember when Blu Cafe was around? That was a nice place. I used to go there ALL the time and I'm a HUGE Starbucks, so that speaks volumes when an independent can take you away from a chain.

The article brings up a good point that the younger generations don't feel the need to hang out at "gay only" places as they feel more safe and accepted within the city. In the past speaking from personal experience when I've dated someone and have gone to a "straight" lounge or bar, we still held hands at the table, we still gave each other that innocent kiss.

I hope that someday someone taps into the niche of the 30 something crowd. I really feel that there is a missing niche there in the village, someone who doesn't truly want to hang out in a loud pub/bar but doesn't want to go to a restaurant either. I think a lounge would be nice there. Maybe take a few pointers from places in Little Italy or Queen West.

I'm about 10 yrs. older, not a bar guy at all mostly because I don't drink but more because I can't take the volume anymore at the bars. Even Zipperz has the piano player during the week who amplifies his voice to about 90db so it's almost impossible to talk over him singing. I haven't been in years but I've been told that Pegasus is a friendly, mixed aged place where the music isn't that loud.

The whole dance club thing is ridiculous. A dance club here, a dance club there what's the big deal? C+W needs one central dance club. I still say that former Bigliardi's would have been a perfect spot but with Rae living across the street he surely would have opposed it even if licenses were being granted.
 
Neat discussion here. Just a few points I'd like to make:

Urban Shocker: I'm an undergrad at Trinity College as we speak! I hadn't a clue Grube was involved with the college! Fascinating!

Androiduk: LMAO! Your erections comment made me burst out with laughter lol

Threnody: I agree that zoning is a somewhat messed up governing tool. While opening a bar can itself be difficult, putting a dance floor in is that much harder. It's funny cause streets like Church really aren't residential areas-- they're business strips. Commercial streets that manage to boast pedestrian and economic activity after 8pm should be lauded, not discouraged. Maybe I'm being a bit Jane Jacobs-ian, but I support the idea that a busy street is a healthy street. Damn NIMBYism.

Finally, I agree that there really aren't many loungy places to go, ones where you can relax/unwind among a few friends with some drinks. Bar stools aren't exactly the most comfortable seats. While 21 year olds like myself probably wouldn't be all that interested in going to these places (I wanna dance baby! lol), surely there's a market for them among the 30-something year old crowd. This place called Blu was before my time, but I think C-W needs more of that.
 
There was also Statlers which was a friendly sit down place and the music/piano dude wasn't very loud but unfortunately both locations failed including the second one recently.
 
bigtony: Here's the Globe's obit:

John Grube once mentioned, quite matter-of-factly, "I'm a footnote." He always thought that the highest academic honour was to have one's work cited.

John published numerous works throughout his life. He came from a family of academics (his father, G.M.A. Grube, was an internationally recognized Plato scholar), and he carried on the family tradition in his idiosyncratic way.

Academia had too many restrictions for a mind like John's, which could not be confined in one department. He produced volumes of poetry and short stories, and wrote articles of all descriptions for various publications. He wrote books on French-Canadian nationalism, and had extensive correspondence with Quebec nationalists Jacques Ferron and François-Albert Angers.

Like the best scholars, John valued ideas and principles above all else. But he was a reluctant academic, eventually finding his niche teaching creative writing at the Ontario College of Art while being an agitator on the college's board of governors.

In later years, he was a member of the Senior Common Room at the University of Toronto's Trinity College, where he had attended university and where his father taught.

John's high regard for ideas, and his finely tuned moral compass, came from a mixture of socialist upbringing, innate frugality and religious belief.

Openly gay for decades, he became an activist and organizer for gay rights. His pen would come out of the scabbard to write letters and articles. He was part of the gay art collective JAC and produced hundreds of paintings and drawings.

John did not hold back his opinions, especially on matters of principle. Politically left-leaning to the end, he often noted in his dry way: "It's impossible to move gracefully to the right."

John accepted the challenges of living with Parkinson's disease with stubbornness and contemplation. He remained an avid cyclist for many years, realizing that he could cycle much better than he could walk, and he thought of a cane more as a stage prop than a tool.

Eventually John had to move, and his library was dismantled and donated to Trinity College for its annual book sale. "It's like a piece of installation art imitating some scholarly den, and the time has come to take it down," he said.

Every Wednesday for as long as his health allowed, he attended Trinity College's Evensong, sherry reception and high-table dinner. He always wore corduroy and tweed, playing the role of the traditional professor. "I just wear them to blend," he would say.

Peter Josselyn was John's friend.
 
" The cultural heritage value of the properties is also linked to their contribution to the evolution of the Church Street neighbourhood as the centre of gay culture in Toronto. Beginning in the early 1990s, the buildings were occupied by the Barn and Stables, a popular gay nightclub. "

It was gay some time before that. Here's Rick Bebout from Promiscuous Affections:

" Buddy's marked a shift in the geography of Toronto's gay scene, from Yonge over to Church Street. It wasn't the first place to open on (or in this case just off) Church. Janko Naglic, with The Quest in its early days, and his business partner Freda Groves had taken over Les Cavaliers, a restaurant just up the street, and by 1975 were cultivating a gay clientele.
In 1976 they'd opened its second floor as a dance club. It was called Jo Jo's at first, its clientele mostly lesbians -- until a few in jeans were kicked out. By 1977 it was The Barn, looking for men into leather and denim.
In its early years it could feel a distant outpost, in both geography and style. Buddy's gave it company, nearby and more eclectic. This was the beginning of a critical mass that in time would explode into a great raft of gay businesses on Church Street. "

Les Cavaliers wasn't exactly cutting edge gay lib - in fact it had a distinctly old fashioned and rather piss-elegant appeal as a hangout for older men / younger men combos, standing round the piano with drinks and slurring old Judy Garland numbers.

But Buddy's ( located in the basement of the building immediately to the south ) was - for many of us - the Best Gay Bar Ever.
 
^ Me and my wife went to Blu almost every day for our morning coffee and would sometimes meet people upstairs in the evening. It was a very stylish place with fresh food and I don't know why it didn't make it. I miss it too.


Just you mentioning the upstairs reminds me of fireplace that they had. I used to always sit by it with friends and just talk over coffee or martinis. It really felt cosy and in some cases, like home. It was a very welcoming place and a wide variety of people used to go there.

I do remember their food very well. The service was great as well.
 

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