Boxing Day Shooting

[blixa442]

Tihs is not a black problem, this is predominantly a Jamaican problem. It's time to confront this nonsense head on before these people ruin our city. Contrary to popular thinking, poverty is not the root cause of this. Countless other ethnic groups come this country with nothing, yet their offspring do not turn to crime to protest their poverty. It's time for Jamaicans to wake up and stop pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves.

 

[paraone2004]

I cannot for the life of me, believe all the racial undertones I'm reading here. A Jamacian problem? Are you serious? The vast majority of the shooters caught have been Canadian born and raised.
As far as rounding up people dressed in "gangster' clothes, what the **** are gansta clothes and who gets to decided what gansta clothes are?
Next time your at some nice mall out in London, Belleville, Newmarket I'm sure you'll find hoards of white kids dressed the same way, but if they are black in toronto dressed in the same garb we should question them?
Does this do anything to allieviate the feeling of exclusion most in the poorer communities feel? It's bad enough we stick them in the middle of nowwhere, now we are going to harrass every youth when they do come downtown, yeah that will stop the problem, we'll end up being a lot more like the US if we do this and crime will skyrocket over the next decade.

 

[miketoronto]

paraone2004 what news are you watching, because I would love to know. 95% of the shootings in Toronto are by Jamican youth in this city, as are many of their victims.

Also what is wrong with spot checks, we do it for drinking.
Maybe we need spot checks whenever there is a shooting. Don't hold them everyday, but the min there is a shooting, then we start spot checks in the area the shooting happened.

And who said it would be just for black youth. Any youth or person who looks like they are up to no good could be spot checked.

I am sorry, but some of the kids walking down the street in their gangster clothes, saying F*** every two seconds, and giving looks to everyone, needs a little spot check.

If criminals know the city won't put up with this crap, you can bet they will stop.

Did we not have gun spot checks or something like that during the PQ terrorism in Quebec??
If I remember law class right, we did.

As a temporary program, I don't think it would be a bad idea, to go out to areas and spot check. Go to Jane and Finch and do a spot check. I can only think of the number of guns that would be taken off the street right away. Then a weekend after do Malvern. Then Rexdale.
They could even spot check Tuxedo Court near my house. There are some people in those buildings that need a good spot check on them, with the attitudes they have, telling white people in my area that "they have no right to walk in Tuxedo Court, because they are white". Spot check them all and teach criminals we are tired of their crap.

It does not have to be forever. Just do a couple blitzes in problem areas. And get the guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.

 

[miketoronto]

tudararms and blixa442. You hit it right on.
We can't stop pretending that the gun problems are not being caused 95% by one group of people in this city.

Even my Jamican friends who come from families who have made something of themselves here, feel the city should crack down on Jamican people who keep causing problems.

But something has to be done, and we have to stop screaming racism.

Because something is up. I even see it in my own neighbourhood. We have a set of high-rise apartments about a 5min walk from my house. One of the buildings is full of Jamican people, and there is always problems there. Attemped stabbings, fire trucks there everyday, people getting beat up, etc. Why?

So whats the problem here. Unless we admit there is a problem, we are never going to fix it.

And maybe we should ask why the majority of our public housing is housing Jamican people? Why are they having so much problems getting their feet on their ground, that they are the main residents in Malvern, Jane-Finch, and other areas of extreme public housing density.

 

[tudararms]

Thanks for proving our point paraone.

How facile to scream racism every time, effectively shutting down any reasonable dialogue or discourse on the issue. But then again it's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?

 

[miketoronto]

Toronto is now tied with the City of Boston for number of murders so far. Boston had 71 murders so far. So we actually beat them a little. Sad if you ask me.

Toronto's murder rate has increased while other major cities have saw a drop again in murders.

New York's murders dropped so far to 508 killings

Chicago's dropped to 445 homicides for the year,

Los Angeles' dropped to 474.

While Toronto's goes up and up and up.

 

[ganjavih]

Re: miketoronto's comments, The murder rate in Toronto is not going up and up and up. The record for murders was 88 back in 1991. And per capita, the murder rate is still low even by Canadian standards, ie. vs. Vancouver or Montreal. And Boston may have only 71 murders but it has a population of 600,000. So let's keep some perspective.

What's different now is how and where the killings are happening. Yonge and Dundas seems to be becoming a problem area and drive-by shootings on Yonge St resulting in the shooting of many innocent bystanders is something new.

To pretend that there isn't a problem amongst young black males in Toronto is sticking your head in the sand... even leader from black communities would agree with this. Why are young black males forming LA-style gangs? I don't know - I'm sure there are many contributing factors - but this nonsense doesn't belong in Toronto. Something needs to be done.

 

[Brighter Hell]

random spot checks - doubleplusgood idea. miketoronto is watching you.

where did you get that 95% figure? i'm curious how accurate it is.

I am sorry, but some of the kids walking down the street in their gangster clothes, saying F*** every two seconds, and giving looks to everyone, needs a little spot check.

maybe they're just jealous of your hat just give 'em a little spot check. keep poking that snake.

Toronto is now tied with the City of Boston for number of murders so far. Boston had 71 murders so far. So we actually beat them a little. Sad if you ask me.

yeah it's sad.....for boston....that they have as many murders as a city with almost 5 times its population.

 

[tkip]

Why I refer to this being done by a sub-group within the black community. Its obvious that the majority of black persons aren't carrying guns.

But is this one little group all Jamician? I really haven't heard anything in the media about this.

Something is up though, with at least one segment of the black community and I think we have to talk out aloud and try to figure this out.

I mean, this is going to keep happening again and again until the courts start locking away a bunch of members for life. That being said, I tend to think downtown is still safe.

Most shootings occur out in the burbs...... Near housing projects. It was only a matter of time before it spilt over.

 

[samsonyuen]

Pretty scary. Even though Toronto for its size is very safe, that it took place in such a seemingly safe area of Toronto with so many people around means this could happen anytime, anywhere.

 

[shawnmicallef]

Mike> you should work for the Sun. When things are bad, hyperbole doesn't help.

Boston has something like 500,000 people, while Toronto has 2.5 million.

 

[spasongs]

That is the main problem, if it is not the "comm. Leaders "screaming it, it these utopian doo gooders who are. These are the same people with their flower in hand, who end up looking at a gun barrel asking why?? Why are you doing this to me ? eventually.

 

[paraone2004]

Okay Mike I agree with you, lets let cops walk around and "spot check" everyone, because they share a common trait. maybe we can give them little uniforms and call them something fun... hmmmm.... how about the gastapo? Sounds good cause that what we'll get, cops like all people will abuse that power and the "spot check" idea will be a great muse for blantant corruptionand extortion. I'm not saying not to be tough on crime by all means if someone is guilty, and by that I mean found in a court of law not by being black and having an attitude, then to jail for a long time they should go. But you sound like your about to start a class/race war, those areas you listed are mostly new immigrants and the poor, not high rises filled with just Jamacian drug cartels, just like all italians are not in the mob.

you really sound like a scared white guy with the whole attitude bit, maybe we should clamp down on italian bus freaks, cuz they are all up to NO GOOD!

 

[shumoon]

We should have a public hanging for these worthless shit holes and we should all throw rocks them before we hang them.

THX:
Where exactly do you propose the public hanging should take place? Saudi Arabia conducts executions in public parks. The beheading takes place in the morning. They wash away the blood with a water hose and by afternoon, kids are playing there as if nothing had happened. Would something like that work for you?

 

[samplain]

Nobody has asked why there were NO POLICE around on the busiest shopping day on the busiest street?

There was an altercation that occurred then shots rang out. Not a single officer in sight, aside from the off duty who was wounded.

I dont think thats acceptible.