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SD2
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drunknsubmrnr
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What I'd like to know is how these guys can freely hang out and deal drugs around Yonge/Gould without police questioning them, keeping profiles, keeping them away, etc. Everyone knows the dudes standing around there are dealers, why not the police?
The police have known about it since they took over that corner. There's just not much they can do about it.
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spasongs
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it is mostly Jamaican related gangs. Get over it. Again, as I have said. If it was a bunch of Irish thugs I would say it was a bunch of Irish thugs. What part of this don't some of you get?
It is time for members in that community to really address this and do something. And stop blaming poverty etc. Lots of poor people out there, lots of poor black people out there, and they are not thuggin.
It is time for members in that community to really address this and do something. And stop blaming poverty etc. Lots of poor people out there, lots of poor black people out there, and they are not thuggin.
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thx1038
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^ lots of Jamicans out there too. And they are not all thuggin' either.
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tudararms
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Those scapegoats are creeping in again: now gun violence among black men in Toronto is the fault of teenage white boys in the suburbs??!! How absurd.
In the aftermath of the funeral shooting I actually heard a black community leader on television blame boredom and the lack of after-school programs as the reason for violence in her community.
The ignorance and denial is startling! I just wish I could figure out who exactly this benefits??
In the aftermath of the funeral shooting I actually heard a black community leader on television blame boredom and the lack of after-school programs as the reason for violence in her community.
The ignorance and denial is startling! I just wish I could figure out who exactly this benefits??
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scarberiankhatru
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"In the aftermath of the funeral shooting I actually heard a black community leader on television blame boredom and the lack of after-school programs as the reason for violence in her community."
My mom laughs every time time suburban isolation and boredom is brought up as a cause of shootings...my parents grew up in an idyllic suburban hellhole and didn't have much money yet they were never violent and never joined a gang. They would just play baseball or hockey when not in school. There's always factors that lead someone to a life of crime, but that doesn't automatically mean they have to pick up a gun and start shooting people.
My mom laughs every time time suburban isolation and boredom is brought up as a cause of shootings...my parents grew up in an idyllic suburban hellhole and didn't have much money yet they were never violent and never joined a gang. They would just play baseball or hockey when not in school. There's always factors that lead someone to a life of crime, but that doesn't automatically mean they have to pick up a gun and start shooting people.
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rbtaylor
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my parents grew up in an idyllic suburban hellhole and didn't have much money yet they were never violent and never joined a gang. They would just play baseball or hockey when not in school. There's always factors that lead someone to a life of crime, but that doesn't automatically mean they have to pick up a gun and start shooting people.
If 1 in 1000 people who grew up like your parents tended to joing gangs versus 1 in 20000 people who grow up under better circumstances, then to a large extent those difficulties lead to crime but it is still a fairly small portion of the population that has the issues.
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tkip
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Here it is again. There is demand for drugs. Since most drungs are illegal, there is an underground for the traffiting of them.
Someone has to get them to the buyers (us) and since there are so many buyers (us) out there , its a huge market.
And since there are groups involved with their own turfs and people being people, there are eventually conflicts, disagreements, takeover attempts and fallouts.
At some point, someone is going to get hurt. Directly or indirectly. This is nothing new. Been going on for centuries.
As long as people get off on being "high" this will continue.
So if people out there weren't so keen on getting their recreational "fix", there simply wouldn't be a need for suppliers willing to kill each other and others to make a profit.
Unless the government were to turn around and start legalizing drugs which is very doubtful. What I'm trying to say is this:
While these thugs are vile creatures now, they weren't born this way. At some point, they were recruited and put to work. And the reason they're work is so necessary is that society as a whole loves their drugs.
We cannot consume our drugs of so many different shades and act all innocent and shocked when people get caught and hurt along the way and say it has nothing to do with me..
Someone has to get them to the buyers (us) and since there are so many buyers (us) out there , its a huge market.
And since there are groups involved with their own turfs and people being people, there are eventually conflicts, disagreements, takeover attempts and fallouts.
At some point, someone is going to get hurt. Directly or indirectly. This is nothing new. Been going on for centuries.
As long as people get off on being "high" this will continue.
So if people out there weren't so keen on getting their recreational "fix", there simply wouldn't be a need for suppliers willing to kill each other and others to make a profit.
Unless the government were to turn around and start legalizing drugs which is very doubtful. What I'm trying to say is this:
While these thugs are vile creatures now, they weren't born this way. At some point, they were recruited and put to work. And the reason they're work is so necessary is that society as a whole loves their drugs.
We cannot consume our drugs of so many different shades and act all innocent and shocked when people get caught and hurt along the way and say it has nothing to do with me..
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Ed007Toronto
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While these thugs are vile creatures now, they weren't born this way.
But why the high proportion of black Jamaican males?
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papamanjr
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you know what: they're kids. and they don't know any better. seriously. they haven't been taught any better. think about it for a second: how far removed from society do you have to be to unload a gun into a crowd? it's just not real. they're children for god's sake - who let them get away?
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ganjavih
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Lovely, 5 hours into the New Year and another shooting death.
Toronto breaks in new year with another shooting
Toronto breaks in new year with another shooting
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ganjavih
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Do we need a Boston miracle?
From the article...
Murder's home turf
How does Toronto's homicide rate compare to that of other North American cities? The following figures show the 2004 rate per 100,000 people.
New Orleans        25.5
Baltimore        12.5
Detroit        10.0
Los Angeles        8.6
Houston        8.0
Washington        7.9
San Francisco        7.3
Dallas        7.3
New York        5.0
Winnipeg        4.9
Edmonton        3.4
Boston        2.6
Vancouver        2.6
Toronto        1.8
Montreal        1.7
SOURCES: FBI, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, STATISTICS CANADA
From the article...
Murder's home turf
How does Toronto's homicide rate compare to that of other North American cities? The following figures show the 2004 rate per 100,000 people.
New Orleans        25.5
Baltimore        12.5
Detroit        10.0
Los Angeles        8.6
Houston        8.0
Washington        7.9
San Francisco        7.3
Dallas        7.3
New York        5.0
Winnipeg        4.9
Edmonton        3.4
Boston        2.6
Vancouver        2.6
Toronto        1.8
Montreal        1.7
SOURCES: FBI, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, STATISTICS CANADA
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yyzer
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Here's something to put it in perspective, Camden, N.J., population 80,000, with 34 murders this year....
'Most Dangerous City' Murder Rate Drops
(AP) CAMDEN, NJ Four murders in the last two weeks of 2005 meant that Sister Helen Cole had to round up four more candles for her annual vigil for the people slain in this perilous city.
The late murders in Camden brought the year’s total to 34 -- still the lowest number since 2002 in a city that the last two years has been labeled in one analysis as the nation’s most dangerous.
The city had a particularly deadly year in 2004, when there were 49 murders. The year before, there were 41.
Last year’s decrease came even as the number of murders in nearby Philadelphia and Trenton rose. The murder rate in Camden, an impoverished city of about 80,000, was still about seven times the national rate of about 5.5 per 100,000 residents.
“It was sort of a relief that we only had 29,†Cole said. “And then to get hit by four†more was devastating.
Over the past few years, authorities have tried ambitious new crime-fighting efforts in Camden, including a reorganization the city police department. This year, the U.S. Marshal’s Office has arrested more than 300 fugitives and a new task force has been established to solve nonfatal shootings.
Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said that while it’s hard to know exactly why murder rates rise and fall, he believes the police efforts have helped.
Twenty-six of the alleged murders in 2005 were committed with guns. Most of the victims were under 30. The oldest was 68; the youngest was a six-week-old girl allegedly beaten by her father.
This was the 11th New Year’s that Cole, based at Holy Name Roman Catholic Church, held the marathon vigil to make sure that the city’s murder victims were thought of as more than numbers. Her first vigil was at the end of 1995, when Camden had a record 60 homicides.
Each hour leading up to the end of the year, she lights a red candle for one victim.
At St. Joan of Arc Roman Catholic Church, where she held this year’s service on Friday and Saturday, the pews filled with anywhere from a handful of mourners to dozens. For some victims, friends and families came; for others, it was all strangers.
The people gathered there said a few words about each victim, and then prayed.
The Rev. Wolfgang Herz-Lang attended the 6 a.m. candle-lighting on Saturday in memory of Dewey Marshall, a 22 year-old who died two days after being shot in the head on Aug. 29. No one has been charged with the slaying.
Herz-Lang, the pastor at the Bridge of Peace Church, knows Marshall’s mother and sister.
He said that Marshall was a loving father of two little girls, but far from a saint. “He was involved in all sorts of stuff. It’s what got him killed,†the pastor said.
Herz-Lang said Marshall’s family donated his organs. His heart, lungs and kidneys were transplanted into four middle-aged men, extending their lives.
'Most Dangerous City' Murder Rate Drops
(AP) CAMDEN, NJ Four murders in the last two weeks of 2005 meant that Sister Helen Cole had to round up four more candles for her annual vigil for the people slain in this perilous city.
The late murders in Camden brought the year’s total to 34 -- still the lowest number since 2002 in a city that the last two years has been labeled in one analysis as the nation’s most dangerous.
The city had a particularly deadly year in 2004, when there were 49 murders. The year before, there were 41.
Last year’s decrease came even as the number of murders in nearby Philadelphia and Trenton rose. The murder rate in Camden, an impoverished city of about 80,000, was still about seven times the national rate of about 5.5 per 100,000 residents.
“It was sort of a relief that we only had 29,†Cole said. “And then to get hit by four†more was devastating.
Over the past few years, authorities have tried ambitious new crime-fighting efforts in Camden, including a reorganization the city police department. This year, the U.S. Marshal’s Office has arrested more than 300 fugitives and a new task force has been established to solve nonfatal shootings.
Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said that while it’s hard to know exactly why murder rates rise and fall, he believes the police efforts have helped.
Twenty-six of the alleged murders in 2005 were committed with guns. Most of the victims were under 30. The oldest was 68; the youngest was a six-week-old girl allegedly beaten by her father.
This was the 11th New Year’s that Cole, based at Holy Name Roman Catholic Church, held the marathon vigil to make sure that the city’s murder victims were thought of as more than numbers. Her first vigil was at the end of 1995, when Camden had a record 60 homicides.
Each hour leading up to the end of the year, she lights a red candle for one victim.
At St. Joan of Arc Roman Catholic Church, where she held this year’s service on Friday and Saturday, the pews filled with anywhere from a handful of mourners to dozens. For some victims, friends and families came; for others, it was all strangers.
The people gathered there said a few words about each victim, and then prayed.
The Rev. Wolfgang Herz-Lang attended the 6 a.m. candle-lighting on Saturday in memory of Dewey Marshall, a 22 year-old who died two days after being shot in the head on Aug. 29. No one has been charged with the slaying.
Herz-Lang, the pastor at the Bridge of Peace Church, knows Marshall’s mother and sister.
He said that Marshall was a loving father of two little girls, but far from a saint. “He was involved in all sorts of stuff. It’s what got him killed,†the pastor said.
Herz-Lang said Marshall’s family donated his organs. His heart, lungs and kidneys were transplanted into four middle-aged men, extending their lives.
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miketoronto
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Did anyone read THE STAR the other day. They had a huge look into the murders, and they even mentioned that most of them where commited by Jamican men in Toronto.
They also had some very interesting facts, like something like 67% of Jamican kids in Toronto live in single parent households.
They also had some very interesting facts, like something like 67% of Jamican kids in Toronto live in single parent households.
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TdotTrickyRicky
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The one thing I think we should all agree is that reduction in gun related crime in the city is a multi-pronged exercise that will take years of commitment. Everyone needs to take action on the initiatives that they care about most but shouldn't be criticised as being "wrong" for their efforts. If crime and punishment is your thing than run with it. If tackling social problems is yours go for it. Everyone stands to improve in their efforts and communication needs to improve.
This might sound controversial to some, but the police themselves need to start being more effective and improving their communications with neighbourhoods. It is my anecdotal experience that police, perhaps because they are handcuffed by regulation or are overstretched or are jaded by a legal system that lets criminals back on the street in no time, are not particularly effective at using common community knowledge (many in communities knows what buildings, what alleys and at what times criminals conduct their enterprises) to much good. Basically the police seem uninterested even hostile to you if you try to give them information of this sort. I don't even make it my business to find out about these things, but I can tell you the bars drug dealers frequent in the Ossington Dufferin area, the alley locations they deal in, at what time, the street names and or faces of some of the key players. In the last 6 months the police came and did a sweep of the area, but the times when they came and their seemingly cluelessness was surprising. A building owner nearby complained that he put up a light in the back alley and drug dealers kept smashing the bulb so that they could conduct their business, the police answer to this was that they would not send officers because it represented a dangerous situation for them at night because they alley was dead end. Wtf?
This might sound controversial to some, but the police themselves need to start being more effective and improving their communications with neighbourhoods. It is my anecdotal experience that police, perhaps because they are handcuffed by regulation or are overstretched or are jaded by a legal system that lets criminals back on the street in no time, are not particularly effective at using common community knowledge (many in communities knows what buildings, what alleys and at what times criminals conduct their enterprises) to much good. Basically the police seem uninterested even hostile to you if you try to give them information of this sort. I don't even make it my business to find out about these things, but I can tell you the bars drug dealers frequent in the Ossington Dufferin area, the alley locations they deal in, at what time, the street names and or faces of some of the key players. In the last 6 months the police came and did a sweep of the area, but the times when they came and their seemingly cluelessness was surprising. A building owner nearby complained that he put up a light in the back alley and drug dealers kept smashing the bulb so that they could conduct their business, the police answer to this was that they would not send officers because it represented a dangerous situation for them at night because they alley was dead end. Wtf?