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2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election
- Thread starter SJD_Toronto
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Islington Express Bus
Active Member
Yeah I think it's racist if CSIS monitors Chinese-Canadians just for being Chinese. Also, as we keep saying, SHE IS NOT EVEN FROM CHINA.
GenerationW
Senior Member
I'd bet a few shekels that the goal of his sudden sign invasion is to cut into Chow's support.
adma
Superstar
You mean, like, paid off by one of the other major campaigns? Some kind of Ford/Kouvalis-esque dirty tricks? Baiting low-info Chinese voters? Hmmmm...
(Which also raises a possibility that turns the race-baiting Chow-conspiracy talk on its head: that said Chinese forces might *not* want Chow as Mayor, simply because Western-style inner-city "socialism" isn't its bag)
GenerationW
Senior Member
That's possible. Finishing a solid second in this election could be a springboard to winning in 2026, even if Chow runs again.
adma
Superstar
Of course, I'm not thinking of *Gong* with his, uh, chequered background as that solid-second prospect--rather that his campaign is serving as a dark-money/dirty-tricks secret-weapon "decoy". Particularly if any of the other candidates have fears that the "viable" candidate with the Asian surname is going to vacuum up the Asian votes, even if she doesn't represent, er, "Asiancourt" values. So, have this nonentity named Gong undermine Chow, and one of the rest might come up the middle...
adma
Superstar
And another thing to remember about Chow, which'd knock the teeth out of the dubiously-racial-political-trope-laden "China conspiracy argument" (y'know, the stuff of old Andy Donato depictions of her wearing a Mao jacket): there's a gulf btw/Chow's social democratic politics and China's present-day variety of "state capitalism". Which is why the reported China interference in Canadian electoral politics has related to "establishment parties"--and why the Chinese-dominant parts of the GTA like N Scarborough, Markham, E Richmond Hill have traditionally been black holes for the NDP...
zang
Senior Member
For what should be the *last* time, the PRC is not the same as British Hong Kong. Maybe, just maybe the fact that you can’t seem to grasp that might just be the reason Adma called you a troll.
Also, it’s ignorant and kinda racist.
Yet, you cannot seem to let this idea go, despite claiming you aren’t in any way implying that Chow is under the influence of the PRC.
Yes, if their only reason for monitoring *individuals* (and not back channels, foreign workers, dignitaries, etc) is because they’re of Asian decent, that is indeed racist. Which seems to be what you’re implying.
Fresco
Active Member
Hong Kong is now owned by the Chinese. When Chow grew up there it was still owned by the Brits.
My point is Chow is of that part of the world and if she evolves further into CDN politics she might become a target of the CCP
(thats assuming she isnt already).
She has already allegedly met with a pro CCP group according to the National Post: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/toronto-mayor-olivia-chow-china
Fresco
Active Member
I never said she was. You have reading comprehension issues.
I said that she will most likely be WATCHED for any CCP connections, but that doesnt mean she's guilty of it (yet).
Also, if you're gonna play the race card dont get mad at me, get mad at CSIS.
They are apparently watching all Chinese politicians (and probably Chow too, even though she's from HK):
Deputy mayor suing CSIS over alleged 'typecasting' of Chinese immigrants
Markham Deputy Mayor Michael Chan says he has been humiliated by leaks related to foreign interference, which he denies
nationalpost.com
Fresco
Active Member
I'm not just implying it, they are doing it.
And then there's also the matter of China deploying police stations in North-America: https://nypost.com/2022/09/30/china...nd-canada-to-monitor-chinese-citizens-report/
You bet your sweet ass they are being watched. And good on CSIS for doing so
If Chow wants to evolve further? You do know her history, right?
Fresco
Active Member
I would call it smart policing (or monitoring in this case)
Fresco
Active Member
What I meant with "if she evolves further into CDN politics" is if she decides to run for Premier of Ontario, or maybe even run for PM of Canada.
What does her history have to do with that??
Her history includes plenty of “evolution” in Canadian politics. She is not a newcomer to Canadian political life by any stretch of the imagination and is quite aware of all that entails.