2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

[adma]

And another thing to remember about Chow, which'd knock the teeth out of the dubiously-racial-political-trope-laden "China conspiracy argument" (y'know, the stuff of old Andy Donato depictions of her wearing a Mao jacket): there's a gulf btw/Chow's social democratic politics and China's present-day variety of "state capitalism". Which is why the reported China interference in Canadian electoral politics has related to "establishment parties"--and why the Chinese-dominant parts of the GTA like N Scarborough, Markham, E Richmond Hill have traditionally been black holes for the NDP...

 

[zang]

Our government watches all politicians, but after Chinese election interference it only makes sense they will watch politicians of Chinese descent a bit more.

For what should be the *last* time, the PRC is not the same as British Hong Kong. Maybe, just maybe the fact that you can’t seem to grasp that might just be the reason Adma called you a troll.

Also, it’s ignorant and kinda racist.

They were (or still are) monitoring Han Dong: https://globalnews.ca/news/9504291/...2019-election-candidate-chinese-interference/

Also the Chinese government employs blackmail, bribery and sexual seduction, with the country even enlisting the Bank of China in its foreign-influence activities so they can target corporate executives, academics and vulnerable Chinese Canadians:

Yet, you cannot seem to let this idea go, despite claiming you aren’t in any way implying that Chow is under the influence of the PRC.

Are you saying CSIS is racist for monitoring Chinese-Canadians??

Yes, if their only reason for monitoring *individuals* (and not back channels, foreign workers, dignitaries, etc) is because they’re of Asian decent, that is indeed racist. Which seems to be what you’re implying.

 

[Fresco]

For what should be the *last* time, the PRC is not the same as British Hong Kong. Maybe, just maybe the fact that you can’t seem to grasp that might just be the reason Adma called you a troll

Hong Kong is now owned by the Chinese. When Chow grew up there it was still owned by the Brits.
My point is Chow is of that part of the world and if she evolves further into CDN politics she might become a target of the CCP
(thats assuming she isnt already).

She has already allegedly met with a pro CCP group according to the National Post: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/toronto-mayor-olivia-chow-china

 

[Fresco]

Also, it’s ignorant and kinda racist.

Yet, you cannot seem to let this idea go, despite claiming you aren’t in any way implying that Chow is under the influence of the PRC

I never said she was. You have reading comprehension issues.
I said that she will most likely be WATCHED for any CCP connections, but that doesnt mean she's guilty of it (yet).

Also, if you're gonna play the race card dont get mad at me, get mad at CSIS.
They are apparently watching all Chinese politicians (and probably Chow too, even though she's from HK):

Deputy mayor suing CSIS over alleged 'typecasting' of Chinese immigrants

Markham Deputy Mayor Michael Chan says he has been humiliated by leaks related to foreign interference, which he denies

nationalpost.com

 

[Fresco]

Yes, if their only reason for monitoring *individuals* (and not back channels, foreign workers, dignitaries, etc) is because they’re of Asian decent, that is indeed racist. Which seems to be what you’re implying

I'm not just implying it, they are doing it.

And then there's also the matter of China deploying police stations in North-America: https://nypost.com/2022/09/30/china...nd-canada-to-monitor-chinese-citizens-report/

You bet your sweet ass they are being watched. And good on CSIS for doing so

 

[PinkLucy]

Hong Kong is now owned by the Chinese. When Chow grew up there it was still owned by the Brits.
My point is Chow is of that part of the world and if she evolves further into CDN politics she might become a target of the CCP
(thats assuming she isnt already).

She has already allegedly met with a pro CCP group according to the National Post: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/toronto-mayor-olivia-chow-china

If Chow wants to evolve further? You do know her history, right?

 

[Fresco]

Yeah I think it's racist if CSIS monitors Chinese-Canadians just for being Chinese

I would call it smart policing (or monitoring in this case)

 

[Fresco]

If Chow wants to evolve further? You do know her history, right?

What I meant with "if she evolves further into CDN politics" is if she decides to run for Premier of Ontario, or maybe even run for PM of Canada.

What does her history have to do with that??

 

[PinkLucy]

Her history includes plenty of “evolution” in Canadian politics. She is not a newcomer to Canadian political life by any stretch of the imagination and is quite aware of all that entails.

 

[zang]

Hong Kong is now owned by the Chinese. When Chow grew up there it was still owned by the Brits.

And yet, you have issues separating the two. Should Malay-Chinese be suspect? How about a friend of mine who's born and bred in Trinidad who has Chinese ancestry. Should he be monitored?

(thats assuming she isnt already).

"I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens." You're not outright saying she's under CCP control, but

She has already allegedly met with a pro CCP group according to the National Post: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/toronto-mayor-olivia-chow-china

She met with an organization of Canadian citizens and immigrants that sends people on trips to the PRC. This was a non-story. It's not a link; it's meeting with her constituents. Rob Ford had pictures taken with a known Neo-Nazi in a Nazi-era uniform at a political event. Does that mean he was controlled by Neo-Nazis, or a Nazi sympathizer?

The first line in the article you seem intent on using:

"Olivia Chow has generally not been a close friend of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)."

I never said she was. You have reading comprehension issues.

Considering others seem to be reading what you're writing and seeing the same things I am, perhaps it's you with the problem here.

I said that she will most likely be WATCHED for any CCP connections, but that doesnt mean she's guilty of it (yet).

AHEM:

All I said was if Vincent Ke was being watched, and since his position is (or was) a lot less important than Chow's is (or will be if she's elected), its only logical for CSIS to keep an eye on her.


The fact that you're focused on you an individual, and not the CCP is telling, whether you want to believe so or not. You've very obviously made your views about Chow clear in previous posts. You don't like her, you don't want her to be Mayor. That does not mean she's immediately suspect of the same suspicions that PRC born politicians with links to the CCP are.

Also, if you're gonna play the race card dont get mad at me, get mad at CSIS.

Don't get mad at me for making statements about CSIS that I have no proof of. It's all CSIS, not me!

They are apparently watching all Chinese politicians (and probably Chow too, even though she's from HK):

Proof please.

 

[TonyV]

^ When the kids leave the room we can restart our intelligent discussion, peeps.

>> Moderators? <<

 

[Jonny5]

The Gong sign invasion is getting some wide mockery now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667688232115486723

 

[ShonTron]

Giving Fresco a 48 hour time out.

Everyone else, back on topic please.

 

[adma]

There is, admittedly, something very, shall we say, "degraded" about taking a bus up Islington and seeing an overwhelming number of Gong/Tull/Sky street signs this afternoon.

By comparison, the lawn-sign activity looking off Islington seems rather uncommittal/undercommittal at this point--though there are a few Saunders signs around Kingsway, where one might expect them. (Incidentally, there seems something rather low-key about the Saunders campaign--like he may have DoFo's implicit support, but he's going about it in more of a Holyday than Ford way. Maybe because the Kouvalis/Teneycke/Balingall element is elsewhere)

 

[christiesplits]

New Forum poll.

First poll I've seen with Furey in third.

Chow - 35
Saunders - 14
Furey - 11
Bailao - 10
Matlow - 9
Hunter - 7
Bradford - 5

New link: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-slips-slightly-in-new-mayoral-race-poll.html