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2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

Who gets your vote for Mayor of Toronto?

  • Ana Bailao

    Votes: 18 16.4%

  • Brad Bradford

    Votes: 3 2.7%

  • Olivia Chow

    Votes: 58 52.7%

  • Mitzie Hunter

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • Josh Matlow

    Votes: 20 18.2%

  • Mark Saunders

    Votes: 4 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 5 4.5%
  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
zang said:
Oh for sure. The NDP is further to the right than most of the *centrist* parties in Europe.
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But also re Overton window-shifting--well, if we have the Liberals as "centre" and NDP "far left", then shouldn't the Conservatives be correspondingly "far right"? Leaving aside the hair-splitting semantics, I'm just addressing relative positioning here. Of course, those responsible for the window-shifting would rather that Conservative be "centre" and Liberal be "moderate left" so as to fulfil the "NDP = far left" framework.

And speaking of "far"-anything and fringiness: let's not forget this statement on Fresco's part...

2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

I'm sure her team is trying to get John Tory to endorse her. That would be a smart move. Tory seems to be trying to stay out of the campaign, but outside forces are trying to force his hand with polls, lobbying and a gold ole fashioned NDP scare. Unfortunately he has ties to Bradford, Hunter...
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Advocates for *that* are a fungus on all political forums.
 
Northern Light said:
I find those numbers for Bailao suspect. Should they turn out to have some validity it would mean literally every other pollster has been completely wrong.
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Yes, something might be in play here.

In the absence of the second/run-off round, opinion polls function as an informal preliminary round. People who dislike candidate X and want X defeated, are likely to abandon their preferred candidate Y if Y is doing poorly in the polls, and switch to candidate Z if Z is doing well in the polls and they believe Z is better than X.

If all polls are honest, then their reports simply reflect the voter preferences.

However, there will be a temptation to twist a report in order to shape those preferences. Unlikely to defeat X if X is a clear front-runner, but very capable of propping Z over Y and helping Z into the second place.
 
If our government is monitoring/investigating a private citizen because she

1. used to be a politician 8 years ago
2. holds normal, common left-wing views
3. was born near China

then that is a gross misuse of resources and probably racist too.

Of course, they probably aren't doing this and that poster just pulled it out of their ass.
 
adma said:
But also re Overton window-shifting--well, if we have the Liberals as "centre" and NDP "far left", then shouldn't the Conservatives be correspondingly "far right"? Leaving aside the hair-splitting semantics, I'm just addressing relative positioning here. Of course, those responsible for the window-shifting would rather that Conservative be "centre" and Liberal be "moderate left" so as to fulfil the "NDP = far left" framework.

And speaking of "far"-anything and fringiness: let's not forget this statement on Fresco's part...

2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

I'm sure her team is trying to get John Tory to endorse her. That would be a smart move. Tory seems to be trying to stay out of the campaign, but outside forces are trying to force his hand with polls, lobbying and a gold ole fashioned NDP scare. Unfortunately he has ties to Bradford, Hunter...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca

Advocates for *that* are a fungus on all political forums.
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Please post a direct link to where I stated this.

I'll help you out. I never made this post.
You are completely pulling this one out of your rear-end.

I made a screenshot of it so you cant delete your idiotic claim 😃
 
Fresco said:
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Please post a direct link to where I stated this.

I'll help you out. I never made this post.
You are completely pulling this one out of your rear-end.

I made a screenshot of it so you cant delete your idiotic claim 😃
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Ah, but it's because the "display post" is different from the post I linked to (for whatever reason--must be a glitch in the system). And besides, that post is benign.

However, if you click onto that display post, (and maybe I was overexpecting others to do so), you'll find the *real* post I was referring to: to presently cut-and-paste *that*...

Richard White said:
True but Tory was the PC leader prior to being Mayor.

Things change but political views don't. Once a Conservative, always a Conservative
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Err, not always true.
I've gone from being strong conservative to now completely socially liberal, but fiscally still conservative.

What this country needs is a Libertarian party that can compete with our big 3 parties
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Uh...really? Other than maybe Neil Reynolds in the 1982 Leeds-Grenville byelection, the Libertarians have *always* been electorally fringe, nationally, provincially. And as per my Neil Reynolds point, their chance was 4 decades ago. They're a relic of the Anchorman 2 or Knoxville World's Fair era. At this point, Libertarians are the political equivalent of a Herb Tarlek or Shadoe Stevens vulgarian.

Of course, Libertarianism *did* wind up surviving by way of electronic social media from the Usenet era onward--but in a way that highlighted their inherent forum-hijacking and forum-killing unpleasantness.

And for you to be blowing the horn for a "Libertarian party that can compete with out big 3 parties" suggests that you've been doing something like that foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums for, let's say, some time now.

As I said...fungus.
 
adma said:
And for you to be blowing the horn for a "Libertarian party that can compete with out big 3 parties" suggests that you've been doing something like that foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums for, let's say, some time now.

As I said...fungus.
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I have been doing something like foot-in-the-door pitch in all manner of political forums??
What the hell does this even mean?? 😂

And who (or what) is a fungus??
 
Islington Express Bus said:
If our government is monitoring/investigating a private citizen because she

1. used to be a politician 8 years ago
2. holds normal, common left-wing views
3. was born near China

then that is a gross misuse of resources and probably racist too.

Of course, they probably aren't doing this and that poster just pulled it out of their ass.
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Our government watches all politicians, but after Chinese election interference it only makes sense they will watch politicians of Chinese descent a bit more.

They were (or still are) monitoring Han Dong: https://globalnews.ca/news/9504291/...2019-election-candidate-chinese-interference/

Also the Chinese government employs blackmail, bribery and sexual seduction, with the country even enlisting the Bank of China in its foreign-influence activities so they can target corporate executives, academics and vulnerable Chinese Canadians:


Are you saying CSIS is racist for monitoring Chinese-Canadians??
 
GenerationW said:
I'd bet a few shekels that the goal of his sudden sign invasion is to cut into Chow's support.
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You mean, like, paid off by one of the other major campaigns? Some kind of Ford/Kouvalis-esque dirty tricks? Baiting low-info Chinese voters? Hmmmm...

(Which also raises a possibility that turns the race-baiting Chow-conspiracy talk on its head: that said Chinese forces might *not* want Chow as Mayor, simply because Western-style inner-city "socialism" isn't its bag)
 
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