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2022/24 Russian-Ukrainian War

Admiral Beez said:
A tactical nuke will do the job of destroying Lviv's strategic use. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 15 kilotons, about the size of today's tactical nuclear weapons, and capable of causing widespread destruction at Lviv.
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You are comparing an undefended city with a lot of unreinforced building to a defended city and an airbase with lots of reinforced structures. It's not a 1:1 comparison. Could they do damage? Absolutely. Are they going to disable Lviv as a hub? Definitely not. And the wrath that follows may well make this discussion moot.
 
Admiral Beez said:
A tactical nuke will do the job of destroying Lviv's strategic use. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 15 kilotons, about the size of today's tactical nuclear weapons, and capable of causing widespread destruction at Lviv.
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Lviv is approximately 70 KM from Poland. If a nuke, tactical or otherwise lands that close to a NATO country there will be a response. It would be nothing short of provocative. .
 
kEiThZ said:
Saw it. The information is spotty. Could be a test of a nuclear uuv in the White Sea or the Black Sea. Nobody knows (in public at least). Tests are escalatory signaling. Won't change anything that NATO or Ukraine is doing.
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Yup well aware. Just thought it was worth mentioning. A test over the black sea would be one thing, some sort of test right next to Ukraine would be much more provocative. Testing over the black sea makes the most sense though.
 
Richard White said:
Lviv is approximately 70 KM from Poland. If a nuke, tactical or otherwise lands that close to a NATO country there will be a response. It would be nothing short of provocative. .
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Any use of a Nuke will be provocative. If you think the NATO response would be different if it was Lviv vs, somewhere in Dnipro, then your wrong. It will almost certainly be the same response no matter where its used. Lviv is still in Ukraine and NATO could tell well in advance missiles are not targeting a country like Poland as they have done so all throughout this conflict.
 
Again, you have to ask why being intentionally provocative (like basically letting everyone know that you are supposedly moving nukes and testing weapons delivery systems) but haven't - and still didn't use them. It is aiming for "scares" - hoping it will shape the behaviour of your adversary (and perhaps via public fear) when you can't fix what's broken on the actual battlefield. In other words, bluffing - because they knew full well what using them for the reals actually translates into - and the cost benefit is too high for them. Ditto chemical weapons.

AoD
 
Once again, stunningly rapid advances by the UA. Makes the delusional statements coming out of the Kremlin all the more laughable. All that grandstanding in Moscow about annexing the occupied regions while in reality their shitty army is being humiliated on the field.
 
Towered said:
Once again, stunningly rapid advances by the UA. Makes the delusional statements coming out of the Kremlin all the more laughable. All that grandstanding in Moscow about annexing the occupied regions while in reality their shitty army is being humiliated on the field.
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Think of it like Chernobyl. When Chernobyl melted down, there was only a very brief mention of an incident in Ukraine at the very end of a crop report on the news. The Soviets kept pretending that everything was fine even when it was not.

The only way for Putin to keep his grip on power is to tell everyone that nothing is wrong, that everything is going to plan. In Russia not everyone has internet but they do have access to the state TV networks controlled by Putin. If the Kremlin says everything is fine, most people in Russia cannot fact check it.

Besides, saying bad things about the war or the Kremlin may lead to you falling out a window.
 
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