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2018 Provincial Election Transit Promises

obviously I don't expect Doug to walk out to Kipling from his house and schleck it down to Kipling station and over.. But he could easily drive to Kipling. My general point is that there are other options to driving all the way down to Queens Park. My guess for driving to Kipling, parking, then taking the subway to Queens Park is about 45 minutes from his house.
 
Doug just wants a full police escort into work every day--like the one TPS used to provide for his brother (although that was a necessary taxpayer expense to keep Rob from crashing into oncoming traffic)...

Doug would consider using a flashing blue light on top of his car to get priority on the streets and ignore traffic regulations as an improvement for himself.

 
Doug take the subway? good joke. He parks his Escalade in the back parking lot of Queens Park every morning. He would never dare wallow with the masses on the subway.

Did Kathleen Wynne or Dalton McGuinty take transit to Queens Park?

Completely irrelevant since Wynne never whined about her drive taking too long.

The previous post that I replied to stated that Doug Ford would not "wallow with the masses". My question then specifically asked if other Premiers did. So it is very relevant. Good attempt at changing the channel though.

Wynne is fortunate to live in an area very well served by transit and a short drive to Queens Park. She has not had to drive nor take transit from the outer areas of Toronto day after day. I would say that about 99% of people that live 1 hour away (or greater) from work complains about their commute (whether it is transit or vehicle). If Doug Ford did not complain he would be the unique one in his neighbourhood.
 
If Doug Ford did not complain he would be the unique one in his neighbourhood.

He will be as sensitive as any other commuter to the length of his commute. What sets him apart is his apparent belief that there is a solution that would make his commute by automobile into the center of Toronto any quicker.

There are no new roads that can be built. Bicycles and transit vehicles are not what is making his drive so slow. It's the growing number of automobiles in a fixed capacity road system. That's the price of densification.

What might help his drive is if we removed forty or fifty autos from his path..... with a bus. Or a streetcar.

- Paul
 
somehow Islington and Bloor area is considered "outer areas of Toronto." One City and some others from Scarborough on here would love to trade places. Don't make it out like he lives in no mans land.
 
somehow Islington and Bloor area is considered "outer areas of Toronto." One City and some others from Scarborough on here would love to trade places. Don't make it out like he lives in no mans land.

Doug Ford does not live at Islington and Bloor (and yes, I know almost to the block the location of his house). If you do not know where he live do not pretend to and if you do please do not spread disinformation.

From his house it will take exactly 1 hour via transit to Queens Park. From Malvern its 1 hr 15 min. From Rexdale (Doug Fords riding) its 1 hr 15 minutes. So yes, he and his constituents are reliant on either long transit rides or vehicles to get to and from work.

Remember in Toronto (not GTA, just Toronto) there are more people that drive to work than take transit. Look at the census if you doubt me (50.6% are in a private vehicle while only 37% take transit). He is expressing the frustration of many people who rely on vehicles to get to/from work.
 
Doug Ford does not live at Islington and Bloor (and yes, I know almost to the block the location of his house). If you do not know where he live do not pretend to and if you do please do not spread disinformation.

From his house it will take exactly 1 hour via transit to Queens Park. From Malvern its 1 hr 15 min. From Rexdale (Doug Fords riding) its 1 hr 15 minutes. So yes, he and his constituents are reliant on either long transit rides or vehicles to get to and from work.

Remember in Toronto (not GTA, just Toronto) there are more people that drive to work than take transit. Look at the census if you doubt me (50.6% are in a private vehicle while only 37% take transit). He is expressing the frustration of many people who rely on vehicles to get to/from work.


Frustration and apathy is exactly what weve seen come to light. Finally. Even then the legitimate concerns of these areas go undiscussed are glossed in this City to protect political interests and supportive minority special interest groups/ unions.

The idea the we should improve local public transit commute times (negligibly in much of theses areas) and negatively impact the most efficient and used form of transit in these areas by removing lanes of traffic, and little grade separating the LRT was very irresponsible. Its not like were even replacing the car travel with equal commute time options, or even close all we'd be doing is making vehicle commutes far worse in a growing GTA and providing better local transit that helps none of these residents.

There is no doubt in anyones minds we need to always improve bus routes, whether express or BRT but adding transfers to even public transit commuters that don't exist and disconnecting the main Growth Centre was even more of a slap in the face Subway, RER and buses without reducing the current infrastructure until equal alternative are provided. That's its. Transit City was not a solution, it became the problem as the details came to light. Even then those outter supporter keep telling us we needed to lean more about how great it was for us. Even the SSE could have been built differently as subway or LRT if the defence by outsiders to support this plan wasn't so strong

If we want to build LRT in conjunction with subway, RER and BRT fine. There was still no need for the type of poorly detailed implementation of LRT proposed under Transit City. Even less need for it to be defended so vigorously against the people who live here over the last decade. Atleast Sheppard has the time to be designed in the most connected, least impactful, on other forms and most economic manner
 
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Doug take the subway? good joke. He parks his Escalade in the back parking lot of Queens Park every morning. He would never dare wallow with the masses on the subway.

Are you certain that's his SUV? The Premier gets a security detail and the ride is usually a dark SUV. I recall Bob Rae eschewed security in the beginning - it didn't last. If nothing else, when they have to drive themselves it is lost time where they can't read docs (assuming Ford does or can) or make calls.
 
@tayser Was Googling for "Melbourne Hydrogen rail" and "Melbourne Hydrail" last night, couldn't get any hits. Any info on that most welcome. *Ostensibly*...it's projected use has been cancelled in all but name with our latest provincial election result here. Haven't had chance yet to pore over your links.

Hydrogen powered trains was more of an off-the-cuff remark - who knows where things will be in 10 years time. On the plus side, Victoria (and South Australia) are building oodles of wind energy over the next 5-10 years to transition away from brown coal (SA already has) and there's a bit of talk about positioning for the hydrogen economy. Vic currently has about 1.5GW of wind energy built at the moment, another 1.3GW of wind and 0.5GW of solar is currently under construction.

Surplus renewable energy, rather than curtail it, could be redirected into hydrogen production in the coming years (or localised storage facilities that are now well and truly in vogue). And like all things energy or raw minerals in AU, it's all about exports to Asia - a side effect is that we'd have a use for it locally if there was a shift away from diesel outside of electrified areas in each AU state.

I was watching few of the youtube videos on the UPX - cab rides and passenger/seat views - I noticed a lot of the track is still (well appears to be still) wooden sleepers - expect for the new branch and a section of track up closer to the airport - I might be missing something, but is/was that a cost thing? Timber's cheaper or is there something with regards to the climate (freezing in winter, tracks covered in snow) that makes wooden rather than concrete sleepers a better 'thing'?

What's the ride like? You always know when you're on concrete (at least here anyhow) - the ride is always smoother.

Wooden sleepers are everywhere on Melb's rail network but a significant proportion of them are disappearing with the level crossing removal programme (I'm yet to see a completed project which has put new wooden sleepers in - and they've done over half of the 50 so far).
 
He is expressing the frustration of many people who rely on vehicles to get to/from work.
Then take transit. Just like "The People" or "The Folks". "Subways, subways, subways". That's an actual quote, stated *many* times. Or is he not good for what he states? Or are you speaking for "The Elites"?
Doug Ford does not live at Islington and Bloor (and yes, I know almost to the block the location of his house). If you do not know where he live do not pretend to and if you do please do not spread disinformation.
He lives here:
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Steps away from Eglinton and Kipling. Does he propose to put a subway along Eglinton? (Deja Vu) How about an...wait for it...*LRT!*

Or perhaps the Kipling bus to the *Subway!*
 

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Then take transit. "Subways, subways, subways". That's an actual quote, stated *many* times. Or is he not good for what he states?

He lives here:
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Steps away from Eglinton and Kipling. Does he propose to put a subway along Eglinton? (Deja Vu) How about an...wait for it...*LRT!*

Or perhaps the Kipling bus to the *Subway!*

There is an EXPRESS Kipling bus (45E, soon to be 945 at some future date).
 
It would be one thing if the elites drove, the masses took transit primarily, while Doug drove and banged on about "elites." But driving happens to be the most common means for the "folks." So the rhetoric is not as misguided as one may think and there is some truth to it. You just have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Same goes for rhetoric from Ford's critics. As we know, of course, politics is not known for subtle, nuanced discussion.
 
Then take transit. Just like "The People" or "The Folks". "Subways, subways, subways". That's an actual quote, stated *many* times. Or is he not good for what he states? Or are you speaking for "The Elites"?

He lives here:
View attachment 152476

Steps away from Eglinton and Kipling. Does he propose to put a subway along Eglinton? (Deja Vu) How about an...wait for it...*LRT!*

Or perhaps the Kipling bus to the *Subway!*
Yes, A grade-separated Eglinton line would definitely work.
 
Share of Torontonians taking public transit is on the rise, while reliance on cars declines
By BEN SPURRTransportation Reporter
MATTHEW COLEData Analyst
Wed., Nov. 29, 2017
The portion of Torontonians who drive to work has declined over the last decade while the portion commuting by public transit has increased, signalling that even without the construction of major new transit infrastructure during the past 10 years the city is moving in the right direction when it comes to decreasing residents’ reliance on the car.

According to 2016 long-form census data released Wednesday by Statistics Canada, the share of Torontonians who drive their own car, truck, or van to work decreased by 7 per cent in the 10 years since 2006. Over the same period, the share of people commuting by transit increased by 7.7 per cent.

The Greater Toronto Area saw the same trend, although the drop in the portion of commuters who drove was less pronounced. Across the GTA, the portion of those commuting by private vehicle fell 1.8 per cent since 2006, while public transit use rose by 10.1 per cent.

The trend will be hailed as positive by policy makers intent on reducing the congestion and greenhouse gas emissions associated with private automobiles, and comes despite the fact that no major transit projects have opened in Toronto over the past decade. Line 4 (Sheppard) is the most recent addition to the TTC subway network, and it carried its first passengers in 2002.

Jason Gilmore, chief of labour statistics at Statistics Canada, said there could be a number of factors driving the shift away from cars and towards public transit. One contributor is likely that Toronto’s population is simply becoming more dense.

“The more dense your environment becomes, the more challenging it is to get around. So… it’s possible some people are deciding rather than driving through an increasingly dense environment, they’re deciding to choose public transit,” he said in an interview Wednesday.
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A number of new transit projects are about to come online and could allow ridership to grow. An extension of Line 1 (Yonge-University-Spadina) will enter service next month, while the Eglinton Crosstown LRT is scheduled to open by 2021, followed closely by the Finch West LRT.
[...]
In addition to public transit use, active transportation is also on the rise in Toronto, with more than one in 10 reporting they get to work under their own power — 8.6 per cent by walking and 2.7 per cent by cycling. Both modes saw in increase compared to 2006, when 7.1 per cent of commuters reported walking, and 1.7 per cent said they cycled.

Among the three largest cities in Canada, Toronto’s census metropolitan area (CMA) had the highest portion of people commuting by “sustainable transportation,” which Statistics Canada defined as public transit, cycling, walking, or carpooling.

In 2016, 42.5 per cent of commuters in the Toronto CMA took sustainable transportation to work, compared to 40.6 per cent in the Vancouver area, and 38.1 per cent in Montreal.

“The gap isn’t huge between the three,” said Gilmore, who described sustainable transportation use in the trio of cities as “very high.”
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The shift away from private vehicle commuting in the Toronto area mirrors a change taking place at the national level over the past 20 years. According to Statistics Canada, since 1996, the portion of Canadians driving to work decreased from 80.7 per cent in 1996 to 79.5 per cent last year.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tr...the-rise-while-reliance-on-cars-declines.html
 
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