sixrings
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I’m happy to pay. I’m sorry I don’t speak for all mississaugans or the mayor. But there’s plenty of projects that are paid for by others.
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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urbancog
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For reference, the province first promised all day 2 way service to Georgetown in 2009. That’s when the EA was published. It’ll likely take another 4 years (just my guess) before that’s delivered.
Milton will, eventually, get AD2W service and probably in less than 20 years from 1st commitment.
Milton will, eventually, get AD2W service and probably in less than 20 years from 1st commitment.
AnnetteMeetsJane
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There is also the issue that KW and Guelph have large universities, with increasing proportions of students commuting from the western suburbs in addition to the Guelph (and KW?) residents who commute into Toronto and back. The GO bus service is struggling to serve the Milton, Brampton and Mississauga students who currently commute daily to UofG now.
Does the Milton line have an equivalent commuter user base both directions all day?
T3G
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Well, I can tell you that when the semester first started the MCIs were routinely leaving 20-30 people behind at the stops in Mississauga when bound for Toronto. No idea about the counter direction, I was fortunate enough to have all my classes let out during train running time.
It's stabilized a bit now as people start to find reasons to stay on campus late or get there earlier, and we seem to get some more DDs than we did before, but it was really, really bad for the first few weeks, and if nothing changes I expect a repeat come next September (or maybe even next semester, depends how the social situation on campus shakes out). It never fails to amaze me how the off-peak answer to a 12 car train that runs on 15-30 minute headways is one measly bus an hour. The 22 -> LW connection isn't really an option, either, since the inmates are running the asylum and think 2 hour frequencies are usable transit. And then people act shocked - shocked ! - that many say "fuck it" and do the common sense thing and drive. I would, too, if we weren't a one car family.
drum118
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You need to add Halton/Oakville to the total numbers as there are stations that will be added between Lisgar and Milton stations.
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All this tit for tat about municipal populations all makes me remember that nobody remembers where Malton is.
Metroscapes
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Also, why not both / all? I mean, ideally...
crs1026
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This is the point that all the complainers seem to miss. The Milton cost is huge. It was left out of the original envelope because had it been included, it would have gobbled up the envelope, and other areas would have got nothing.
There is a only finite amount of money available, and it has to be spread across multiple corridors. There are signs that even the original envelope is proving hard to fund.
Personally, I support building all the spokes so we have a regional system that competes with all the major highway corridors.
Would I have chosen Milton over Kitchener? No. Because that would have placed all the investment close to the QEW, plus the KW connection is vital to easing 401/407 traffic and developing KW as an alternative to GTA.
Barrie? Stouffville? Again, omit those and there would be a huge gap in the spoke map, and no effective relief of 400 and 404.
Line 1 extension ? Line 2 extension? Line 3? All of these deserve to come ahead of Milton, especially given that Mississauga is getting LRT and various bits of BRT - so hasn't been forgotten in transit space.
The Crosstown extension? OK, I would have built that on the surface and that savings might have enabled Milton.
Hamilton ? Niagara? Bowmanville? Again, these are critical.
Milton over 413? In a heartbeat, but blame Ford, not the original Big Move planners.
It's all water under the bridge and time for the griping to stop. We are certain to see Milton - when the money is available.
- Paul
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sixrings
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Paul I understand everything you are saying about the Milton line. The cost is huge. But it won’t get cheaper. That’s the frustrating part. I’m selfishly speaking as a mississaugan who is 25 kms from union that it seems insane that you can live twice as far and have the same commute because of this rail line. Again I am being selfish. But that’s exactly what Vaughan was, Etobicoke was, Scarborough was and Brampton was.
The only good transit option in Mississauga is port credit. And I argue none stop to other mississaugans that this is where we should be building if we can’t fix the MCC mess.
Anyways I love Mississauga. I really do. Hard to believe I know. But this transit situation is painful.
The only good transit option in Mississauga is port credit. And I argue none stop to other mississaugans that this is where we should be building if we can’t fix the MCC mess.
Anyways I love Mississauga. I really do. Hard to believe I know. But this transit situation is painful.
Richard White
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Very much needed.
The station is not currently suited to GO train service and needs an upgrade. During the summer, this place is packed and for WEGO you have to go to the bus station across the street.
I don't know how they will expend it though given that the existing building is heritage.
Northern Light
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This is strictly an interior reno of the building, no expansion or exterior work.
They're going to reno the washrooms, the waiting areas, put in digital next train/bus displays, do something w/the entrance area, and the driver's break spaces.
Also they're going to add some tourism kiosk stuff and one tenant space, possibly for the Niagara Parks Commission.
Amare
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It's a good start, but that station needs a lot more than $1million worth of work.
It's quite ironic because the Niagara Falls, NY station is substantially better than the station on our side of the border, even Niagara Falls NY as a whole is quite the laughing stalk.
Seeing the two stations is really night/day.
Richard White
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That makes sense.
Even still, they need a better station there. As I said, the station was designed for a few trains every other day or so from VIA Rail. It was never designed to handle hoards of tourists.