2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

[Northern Light]

No, but intentionally ignoring a request for proof of a specious claim one's made while trying to turn it around certainly qualifies.


Yeah, see... You made the claim. Don't be lazy. Back it up with some kinda proof. Or were you just pulling it out of nowhere?

Relax.

He's correct.

She owns her home, that alone is sufficient to make the claim true.

Suffice to say, she also has investments and on going income.

Calling someone a multi-millionaire is not a slag on them, wasn't used pejoratively here. It was used her defense in point of fact, to suggest she knew how to manage money.

She is worth several million, that's fine. Next.

 

[picard102]

No, but intentionally ignoring a request for proof of a specious claim one's made while trying to turn it around certainly qualifies.

Yeah, see... You made the claim. Don't be lazy. Back it up with some kinda proof. Or were you just pulling it out of nowhere?

I just gave you a link to look it up yourself, but I'm lazy?

 

[zang]

I just gave you a link to look it up yourself, but I'm lazy?

Okay, so you don't have anything to back it up. Check.

 

[Admiral Beez]

I just gave you a link to look it up yourself, but I'm lazy?

Don't take the bait. One of our greatest powers is to let those we disdain have the last word. They mistakenly feel they’ve won some sort of debate when in reality their utterances have become meaningless.

 

[FastidiousHack]

Just voted, super easy, steady flow of people to do the same at my local community centre.

I wanted to wait until election day to see how polls changed last minute. I've been a fan of Motlow's platform, but Chow is something that Matlow isn't: a a frontrunner that can beat Bailão or Saunders.

If I was mayor:

• I'd like to see Toronto invest more into city services like transit, shelters, and affordable housing.
• I want many more trees, bikelanes, and street patios, and widespread midrise and missing middle.
• Ontario Place, and Billy Bishop, and the rest of Toronto Island should be public parkland accessible by pedestrian bridges.
• Property taxes on single family homes are too low - sprawl should subsidize efficient density, not the other way around.
• The development application process and taxes are a mess. It shouldn't be as hard and expensive as it is to build housing.
• We, collectively, need to do something about getting more people in skilled trades.
• Lastly, the Gardner Expressway is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in a city, and should be torn down and redesigned as a world class urban boulevard. If the province wants a highway through downtown, they can build it underground, and they can pay for it.

Unfortunately that'll take 50 years to happen (if ever) given Toronto's electorate, maybe one day we can have ranked choice voting.

 

[christiesplits]

Any predictions for voter turnout? Keep in mind by-election turnout is usually lower than general elections. Mind you, last October's election was VERY low. Could tonight buck the trend?

Previous turnouts:

2022 - 29.2%
2018 - 40.9%
2014 - 54.7%
2010 - 50.6%
2006 - 39.3%
2003 - 38.3%

 

[GenerationW]

I advance voted for Bailão under the assumptions that Chow wins comfortably and that Bailão has the best chance of finishing second ahead of Saunders. The less momentum that troglodyte builds for 2026, the better.

 

[christiesplits]

If Chow wins and Bailao comes up short by a few percentage points, I can see her running again in 2026. Alternatively, if Chow wins by a large margin, say 10%+, I could see McKelvie being the centre/centre-right flag bearer in 2026.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Any predictions for voter turnout? Keep in mind by-election turnout is usually lower than general elections. Mind you, last October's election was VERY low. Could tonight buck the trend?

Previous turnouts:

2022 - 29.2%
2018 - 40.9%
2014 - 54.7%
2010 - 50.6%
2006 - 39.3%
2003 - 38.3%

Why was 2014 so large?

2014 Toronto mayoral election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GenerationW]

Why was 2014 so large?

Three high profile candidates, and the desire of many to move on from the Rob Ford debacle.

 

[nfitz]

Any predictions for voter turnout? Keep in mind by-election turnout is usually lower than general elections. Mind you, last October's election was VERY low. Could tonight buck the trend?

Previous turnouts:

2022 - 29.2%
2018 - 40.9%
2014 - 54.7%
2010 - 50.6%
2006 - 39.3%
2003 - 38.3%

The Star reported that the advanced turnout was up 12% from 2022, so I'd guess about 34% total.

If I can do math, about 30% of the total ballots in 2022 were cast in the advanced poll - which closed a couple of weeks ago. If there has been a shift to Bailão in the last few days, this really could increase the hurdle she needs to overcome. It will be interesting to compare the advanced results to the election day results.

 

[christiesplits]

The Star reported that the advanced turnout was up 12% from 2022, so I'd guess about 34% total.

If I can do math, about 30% of the total ballots in 2022 were cast in the advanced poll - which closed a couple of weeks ago. If there has been a shift to Bailão in the last few days, this really could increase the hurdle she needs to overcome. It will be interesting to compare the advanced results to the election day results.

I'm curious if the boost in advanced turnout was from voters who are out of town on election day? We will find out in a few hours.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Today's weather might have kept some people home.

 

[nfitz]

I'm curious if the boost in advanced turnout was from voters who are out of town on election day? We will find out in a few hours.

Possibly - on the other hand, school is still in session this week.

https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/2023-toronto-mayoral-by-election.34980/reply?quote=1962709

It's been sunny or dry most of the day. I don't think one mid-day storm would make much difference!

I walked past my polling station, and there was a steady stream of people walking to it from all directions.

 

[afransen]

Property taxes on single family homes are too low - sprawl should subsidize efficient density, not the other way around.

What we need to effect this is a land value tax. Tax the land value of property at some multiple of the rate on improvements--4x has been done in other jurisdictions with success.