TheTigerMaster
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is that meeting still going on? I went to link and board members still there but no talking
Ha no. That ended hours ago. Since 8
is that meeting still going on? I went to link and board members still there but no talking
Wow. That's the rationale for pushing zoned based fares? Transit rider don't pay enough taxes. That's some level of ignorance on KSun's part.
Yes they are. Riders pay taxes, just like drivers.
Income definitely should be considered, considering many people cannot afford to live near work. "Punishing" short distance travelers who have other options is better than punishing long distance riders who may have no choice but transit.
As someone who used zoned fare systems, I can tell you it's frustrating keeping track of the zones you're in. I've had to top up a few times in the Underground.
This idea that transit usage should be made more complex because some dude downtown thinks he pays too much for transit is absurd. Don't like paying for that short trip? Ride a a bike. At least they have that option.
The zone boundary should be at Bloor St.
It would cost $40 Million to eliminate fare boundary at Steeles. That's about 10% of TTC's subsidy from the City, or equivalent to a 1% property tax increases.
Metrolinx CEO seems to think this is a small amount of money.
Yes they are. Riders pay taxes, just like drivers.
Income definitely should be considered, considering many people cannot afford to live near work. "Punishing" short distance travelers who have other options is better than punishing long distance riders who may have no choice but transit.
As someone who used zoned fare systems, I can tell you it's frustrating keeping track of the zones you're in. I've had to top up a few times in the Underground.
This idea that transit usage should be made more complex because some dude downtown thinks he pays too much for transit is absurd. Don't like paying for that short trip? Ride a a bike. At least they have that option.
The zone boundary should be at Bloor St.
At the end of the day, you can't change the current system without someone winning and someone losing. Over time that should even out.
Whats absurd is someone who does not think its absurd that some dude downtown pays too much for transit. Try taking a taxi or Uber and see if the fare is more from bloor to front vs sheppard to front st. I live south of Lawrence and north of Eglinton so if I pay more than someone who lives near bloor it will not matter to me because I understand the logicYes they are. Riders pay taxes, just like drivers.
Income definitely should be considered, considering many people cannot afford to live near work. "Punishing" short distance travelers who have other options is better than punishing long distance riders who may have no choice but transit.
As someone who used zoned fare systems, I can tell you it's frustrating keeping track of the zones you're in. I've had to top up a few times in the Underground.
This idea that transit usage should be made more complex because some dude downtown thinks he pays too much for transit is absurd. Don't like paying for that short trip? Ride a a bike. At least they have that option.
The zone boundary should be at Bloor St.
True, but having losers doesn't mean it is a bad thing. Maybe it is only because they are forced to pay what they should now, instead of being subsidized by others, so what's wrong with them losing?
People tend to make this false argument "but the long distance riders are more vulnerable" - completely illogical argument because
1) a substantial percentage of long distance riders live far from work not because they can't afford to live closer. Let's all look at people we know who do so and you get the idea. There is no evidence that suggests a vast majority of long distance riders live far from work BECAUSE they are poor. It may be because of a variety of reasons.
2) what about those short distance riders who are poor? Do we assume they are all wealthy? Other options, really? I don't expect some 50 year old worker riding a bike for 5km to work every day including the -15 winter days. Plus, how many of our roads are friendly to bikers?
The current system is "unfair" to someone who lives in Scarborough and commutes to Markham to work at Tim Horton's but Toronto pols and TTC don't care about that person because they have transformed themselves into a "regional rider." If YRT wants to charge that person $4.00 for the second half of their trip (even if that "half" is going from Steeles to Highway 7) too bad so sad. It's a systemic problem and it's a subset of other systemic problems.
It would cost $40 Million to eliminate fare boundary at Steeles. That's about 10% of TTC's subsidy from the City, or equivalent to a 1% property tax increases.
Metrolinx CEO seems to think this is a small amount of money.
Something that I apparently missed is that the TTC is already paying tens of millions of dollars annually to subsidize 905 riders.
Something that I apparently missed is that the TTC is already paying tens of millions of dollars annually to subsidize 905 riders.
This may be news to some but commercial and retail stores pay property taxes. The TTC is here to serve both residents of Toronto AND shoppers/workers who live outside of Toronto but want to spend money here.
This 905 - 416 resident divide is a fabrication in the TTC debate. If you want only TTC subsidies for 416 residents I'm sure the commercial building would be more than happy to shift their tax burden to residential properties.