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YRT/Viva Construction Thread (Rapidways, Terminals)

I thought the capital cost was around 2B for 18km, which puts the cost/km lower. Is that not the case?
When Mobilinx was chosen as the winning bidder, the total contract value was $5.6 billion. This included $4.6 billion to design, build and finance plus $1 billion to operate and maintain the line for 30 years. The line was previously costed at $1.2 billion for capital costs only. The City of Mississauga is expected to cover the operating and maintenance costs.

$4.6B over 18 km is just over $250M/km.
 
Eglinton is about $600 million. So, that project is going to be cheap.
Line 5 is an even bigger catastrophe. Indeed, something is utterly broken when we spend this kind of money and get such a half-baked solution. I wonder if any other transit agency in the world is spending so much to get so little--congrats Metrolinx.
 

The estimated cost of the project in late 2019 was $12.58 billion.

19 km for $12.58 billion works out to over $600 million.
What is your point? $600M/km for a low-floor LRT line is horrendous. Is there a more expensive LRT line on earth?
 
Point is when people think that $250 million per km is horrible.... we have a horrible that is being built.
It at least has the excuse of being partially tunneled, under an active subway line. Of course that that kind of price, we should have been able to get a proper subway (perhaps with slightly less palatial stations).
 


$4.6B over 18 km is just over $250M/km.


The estimated cost of the project in late 2019 was $12.58 billion.

19 km for $12.58 billion works out to over $600 million.
Lets stop using full lifecycle costs and instead use CAPITAL Costs like normal people:

Hurontario LRT CAPITAL cost: 2.1 Billion
ECLRT CAPITAL cost: 5.3 Billion

Hurontario CAPITAL Cost/km — 2.1B/18 km = ~117 M$/km
ECLRT CAPITAL Cost/km — 5.3B/19km = ~279 M$/km

It should be noted that over half of the ECLRT is underground, that it includes more vehicles, and that it will likely run more frequently.
 


$4.6B over 18 km is just over $250M/km.
Hmm. I was simply looking at capital costs, as quoted here:


Are you sure the $4.6B in Wikipedia doesn’t include the operating costs? That is, the “O” in the DBFOM? Or were you quoting the cost to build, operate and maintain each km of line?
 
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And so? HuLRT is in boondoggle territory, with a capital cost of $250M per km. This is madness.
but fully funded...its not like they needed to find more cash.... they turned away free money due to poltical infighting.
 
Transferred from viva to the 25 bus for the first time since they opened the station last night. It is pretty ridiculous how it's set up. They should've just left the viva stops at the south corners of yonge/major mac and the vivastation should've been back at Harding so that the buses had space to merge into regular traffic from there.
 
Hmm. I was simply looking at capital costs, as quoted here:


Are you sure the $4.6B in Wikipedia doesn’t include the operating costs? That is, the “O” in the DBFOM? Or were you quoting the cost to build, operate and maintain each km of line?
As indicated in the quote, the 30 year operations and maintenance cost is an additional $1B, and not included in the $4.6B.
 
Check out this database on costs for transit lines around the world.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSqMcM660kGZjoe91S44o_9PPZLq6wJwA9LuzVpVfCM/edit#gid=0 (original source from https://transitcosts.com/)

A couple comparisons that may be close (below is in USD):

Eglinton Crosstown is building between 2011-2022(?) a 19km, 53% tunneled line for $231m/km

Tel Aviv is building between 2015-2022 a 24km, 50% tunneled line for $197m/km

Sydney built between 2013-2019 a 36km, 42% tunneled line for $150m/km

Helsinki built between 2009-2015 an 18km, 44% tunneled line for $55m/km

Mexico City built between 2008-2012 a 24km, 43% tunneled line for $254m/km

Malmo built between 2005-2010 a 17km, 35% tunneled line for $53m/km


We are definitely at the higher end of costs.
Not a fair comparison. I don't know about the rest, but Tel Aviv has a Chinese company building the line.
 

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