Yonge Street, or parts of it anyway, would be amazing as a pedestrian street. It has some of the most crowded and inadequate sidewalks in the city. Four lanes of traffic just don't belong there.
Yeah like I said it's a strange comparison. And a lot of what you say is true, Zeppelin were more diverse, including vocally. But Zeppelin didn't the same intricate drumwork and their songs didn't tend to have as much of the "epic journey" quality to them. The two bands bring something different to the table. I'm just saying that Zeppelin weren't the untouchable rock gods they're made out to be.
Just who I happened to be listening to when I wrote that. You should check them out, I have a feeling you won't like them but you never know. If emotion is what you're after maybe something along the lines of the Gaslight Anthem would be more up your alley.
3 lines actually. Funny how everyone here at the kiddy table knows how to count.
In any case, in a thread where you're repeatedly extolling the virtues of 1977 and saying how long the list of amazing music from that year is, why on earth post a list of bands you don't think are any good?
Well I don't know why you're so focused on what other people think, but google it. You'll find lots of people who think that Carey is a better drummer than Bonham or that Plant's constant babys and oooohhhhs got a little tiresome (I'm not one of them). And you'll find even more who think that both bands were hugely different and who was technically better at playing their instrument is irrelevant.
Islam isn't the dominant religion in our society, it makes no sense to focus on it any more than to focus on the religion of an Amazon tribe. But since you brought it up, both Christianity and Islam have massively violent histories and their holy books condone the worst kind of violence that we as a society have grown out of. We're a largely peaceful society today because we stopped letting Christianity tell us what to do. Christianity, in response, has become much more moderate to stay in line with society at large.
No, these concepts were all fought by Christian churches. The Bible has strict penalties for sins like freedom of religion. Of course, most Christians interpret those sections as outdated (if they even know they exist), but they're still there.
John Bonham's drum work was incredible and very intricate (Four Sticks immediately comes to mind). Intricacy isn't what matters most though. Bonham had a groove that I haven't heard in other drummers. Danny Carey, though technically good, sounds like a machine. As for "epic journeys" in Zeppelin songs, I can name quite a few: Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, Dazed and Confused, How Many More Times, Whole Lotta Love, The Lemon Song, Friends, Since I've Been Loving You, Gallows Pole, The Battle of Evermore, Stairway to Heaven, The Song Remains The Same, The Rain Song, No Quarter, In My Time of Dying, In The Light, Kashmir, Ten Years Gone, Achilles' Last Stand, Tea For One, etc. Those songs all have a pretty "epic" nature. I haven't listened to all of Tool's output, so I can't fairly compare the two.
I look for all sorts of feelings in music. I just wish more would center around the beauty of love. That's why Zeppelin is so great. That balance of light and shade in their music is amazing. It's amazing that the same band wrote something as heavy hitting and savage as Immigrant Song, and also produced the sublime, Bron yr aur (Physical Graffiti -- not to be confused with Bron-Y-Aur Stomp from Zeppelin III). From what I've listened to and gathered, Tool has never, nor would they, ever attempt to write something as sensitive as the latter; lest they be called sissies. From my experience, Tool fans are really macho guys that want music to be about complex time signatures and skull bashing riffage. I quickly become tired of repetition in music. I really dislike Radiohead (namely, Thom Yorke), but they are constantly pushing themselves to try new things, and that is respectable. They don't care if he lose fans along the way.
I'll check out your song recommendation.
Islam is far more prominent in our culture than Amazonian river god worshipers. Its message is also unmerciful to people with different beliefs. Christians aren't blowing up buildings and going on massacres -- which is everyday life in the Middle East. Most Christians are extremely passive and civil; which is what makes them such easy targets for ridicule from everyday people and comedians. You rarely hear jokes about Muhammad. There is no hesitance to insult Christians because there is no fear of a backlash.
Acts of terrorism have been committed in the name of Christianity in bygone eras -- and even hatred is sometimes spewed by Christians in modern times -- but what is important to note is that these people did/do these things
despite their faith. There is nothing in The New Testament that condones violence or hatred. Islam, on the other hand, actually demands that infidels/gays be either converted or killed. But people are either too ignorant or cowardly to question this barbaric mentality. You're choosing examples from The Old Testament, which is the jewish holy book/law code. The Old Testament is to be viewed through the prism of the New Testament. Christ didn't approve of slavery, violence or hatred towards thy fellow man. He expects us to love everyone like we do ourselves. No one person is better than another in the eyes of Jesus. The reason why Christianity is so misconceptualized is largely because it is associated with Mississippi Burning, Alex Jones type lunatics, via Hollywood.
These concepts aren't fought by Christian churches. What is your evidence for this? Have you ever been to church? Thou shalt have no other god before me. In that sense, yes, worshiping another idol is punishable by death; so is stealing, and adultery. God still granted people free will to accept Him or deny Him. You have a choice to live your life however you want to. Why do atheists get so upset about God's judgement? If you don't believe in Him, and reject what is written in the bible, then what's there to worry about? They should be unphased and able to laugh off the scriptures. Who cares if others believe it is true? You'll never be coerced to adopt such beliefs.
Giving someone a sandwich so they will listen to your lies doesn't fit my definition of "charity". They don't call it a "mission" for nothing eh.
How do you know what missionaries do? It's easy to criticize others without lifting a finger of your own to help others in need. Donating to some African charity isn't the same (resources often don't even end up where they are actually needed) as personally investing one's own time and efforts in a tangible manner. Missionaries sacrifice their personal lives to help others, and for no reward. They have nothing to gain from their actions -- they do it out of the own goodness in their hearts. Many of them leave behind their families for months/years at a time. That is true sacrifice and compassion. It is utterly selfless. Why are you so cynical; regardless of your stance on God? Why do you assume (without any evidence) that there is an ulterior motive that is driving certain to do noble things for others? Do you not believe that there is any goodness in the hearts of Christians? If so, I feel really sorry for you.
Can we all just agree that no one wins the argument and move on? I'll even let you guys have the last word.
