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Will you be voting for or against David Miller in the 2010 election

Will you vote for David Miller in 2010?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 22 50.0%
  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
I'm still steamed that Miller couldn't find the time to attend the funeral of District Fire Chief Bob Leek, who died fighting the Sunrise Propane explosion and fire. I can live with user fees, poor roads, rising taxes, pool closures, do-rag hoodlums on transit, etc., etc. But when our mayor can't even bother showing up during the worst explosion this city's seen in decades (ever?), nor at the funeral to honour the dead man and his colleagues who fought to save the citizens of the city, well, he's no mayor of mine.
 
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Compared to some of the potential council candidates, I think that Miller still appears to be a better choice. Mediocre is better than useless.
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a lot of leaders that stay in for a long time like that in the end become liked somewhat.

We just get used to them and just there is no one better.

Recent examples are Jean Chretien, Dalton Mcguinty...
 
adma said:
We're indeed dealing with a "consider the alternatives" case, i.e. a Miller vs Adam Vaughan race might turn up different results from a Miller vs Mike Thompson race--on whose behalf, depends where you incline, I guess.
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There won't be a "Miller vs. Vaughan" race, I can assure you. Who would the rightwingers vote for?
 
The nightclub issue appeals to maybe 2% of the electorate, if that. The whole idea is ridiculous - Vaughan wouldn't fly at all outside of the Old City of Toronto and he generally supports Miller anyway.

Miller could lose to an articulate candidate who can draw heavily from big-"L" Liberals and appeal to Tories as well (Lastman and to a lesser extent Tory were able to do so). I can't see any of the rightwingers on Council beating him - they'd all be grade-Z candidates.
 
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Besides, my "Miller vs Vaughan" argument was meant rhetorically. I mean, who else could plausibly run against Miller from the sphere of leftish disappointment? A 70-year-old John Sewell? (And when it comes to "who will the right-wingers vote for", who says *they* wouldn't have a standard-bearer in the mix, either.)

That said, I agree that the most likely coalition-builder to rise above Grade Z is Michael "I love Grand Union" Thompson...
 
King of Kensington said:
Who would the rightwingers vote for?
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I don't think that matters. Toronto is by far populated by nanny-state, big-government, big tax and spend, socialist left-wingers that IMO most right-wingers don't bother to vote. I know, Federally, for example, in my own riding of Cabbagetown that any vote not for the Liberals is a wasted vote, so I've stopped voting. There was a time when I would have told someone like myself today that if you don't vote you give up your right to comment on the government, but that was in my idealistic youth.
 
No I think downtown Toronto is like that (NDP lovers) ^^^...
The rest are mostly centre left people or Liberal minded.
 
Admiral Beez said:
I don't think that matters. Toronto is by far populated by nanny-state, big-government, big tax and spend, socialist left-wingers that IMO most right-wingers don't bother to vote. I know, Federally, for example, in my own riding of Cabbagetown that any vote not for the Liberals is a wasted vote, so I've stopped voting. There was a time when I would have told someone like myself today that if you don't vote you give up your right to comment on the government, but that was in my idealistic youth.
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I don't know, can you really blame them? It's not like the Cons on any form of government have a very good track-record on urban issues.
 
I think personality of Davis attracted a lot of non-Tory voters.
 
You could actually argue the PC's used to be to the left of the Ontario Liberals. The Libs had a rightwing rural base, while the Tories had a lot more support in cities. That changed under Stuart Smith and David Peterson, and the PC's moved right when Frank Miller became leader.
 
And even David Peterson's London base symbolized a certain "SW Ontario heartland values" quality--something that, in its way, survives (transposed to Eastern Ontario, of course) through McGuinty (and may explain why he won the leadership over Gerard Kennedy).
 
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