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Who will be the next Liberal leader?

Manley would have been problematic for a great number of Liberals, in respect to his vision and work with respect to deepening and widening NAFTA.

www.cfr.org/content/publi..._final.pdf

Personally, I would like to have relatively open borders for labour, goods, etc between all NAFTA countries.
 
For Rae, reality isn't what's important. Perceptions of his time as premier have been dominant for past decade, not reality....
I think Rae has about as much chance of winning PM today as Brian Mulroney. Both men, regardless of reality, are seen as the model of incompetent leaders of incompetent governments.
 
You repeat your anti-Rae tirade ad-nauseum, yet you fail to address why he polls higher in Ontario than the other candidates?

Let's put it this way...Anyway you look at it, he has a far better chance of becoming PM than Mike Harris. Mais Oui?
 
I'd prefer Rae to Iggy without hesitation. The "nation for Quebec" thing, the Isreal flip-flop, the dislike-like Quebec language laws blither, and the general sense that this guy is very much out of touch with the country as a whole makes me wish he'd kept his comfy Harvard job where he expounded the supposed virtues of invading Iraq and mouthed on about America's role in Vietnam.

Iggy, go home.

As for Rae, at least he has had involvement in Canadian affairs at many levels for the last thirty years.
 
I hope you're equally harsh on those who continue to attack Bush, the USA, Harper, etc...
Let's put it this way...Anyway you look at it, he has a far better chance of becoming PM than Mike Harris. Mais Oui?
Exactly, Rae, Harris, Stockwell Day, Mulroney, Kim Campbell (and her namesake Gordan in BC) these and others are the political pariahs and outcasts that no one but a nut would want on their party's leadership.
 
Rae is the most electable at this point.

Iggy could be a very valuable cabinet member. I could see the two of them working together the way Harper and Mackay are currently. He could attract some right wing votes. His firey personality to take on the opposition and media as well as Quebec taking a real liking to him(even before the quebec-nation policy).
 
I think Rae has about as much chance of winning PM today as Brian Mulroney. Both men, regardless of reality, are seen as the model of incompetent leaders of incompetent governments.

Iggy's desire to pop open the constitution solely as a means to get votes in Quebec suggests that he has little respect for the document.

Abeja,
I'm not sure as to why you think the critics of Bush, the U.S. (government) or Harper deserve to be dealt with harshly if they make reasoned criticisms of policy or actions eminating from those individuals or organizations.
 
Wouldn't the best option be to drop Iggy, Rae and Dion and instead take one of the others who have no baggage?
 
Who would that be? At this point the other "frontrunner" is acknowledged to be Kennedy, but he seems to have no profile at all in Quebec, and the Liberals are up the river if they can't regain some traction in Quebec.

I really can't understand what has motivated Iggy to reopen the whole constitutional question. The country has been doing relatively well over the past ten years or so, by leacing this sleeping dog alone.
 
Who would that be?
A very good question. I don't see anyone left in the race that can appeal to both the core Ontario and Quebec electorate.

If I were a Liberal strategist, I would be looking for a leader who is not (nor was not) a lawyer or academic, as the former are too snake-like and deceiving for honest politicing (which is why they're perfect for usual politics) and the latter are useless, having never left school for the real world since they started Kindergarten.
 
If I were a Liberal strategist, I would be looking for a leader who is not (nor was not) a lawyer or academic, as the former are too snake-like and deceiving for honest politicing (which is why they're perfect for usual politics) and the latter are useless, having never left school for the real world since they started Kindergarten.

So we should also exclude professional life-long politicians as well since they dont know the real world either.

A law degree does have a purpose in Canadian politics since the constitution is the foundation of the country. Also, passing laws is an integral part of the government. It would help to know a thing about it.
 
So we should also exclude professional life-long politicians as well since they dont know the real world either.
IMO, there should not be any life-long politicians. IMO, an MP should be able to sit for a maximum of 2-3 terms, regardless of how well or poorly they're doing their job.
 
^So you don't believe that such things are up to the voters?

Limited terms may also make voter apathy worse as one can count on a limited shelf life for the idiots and snoozers.
 
I'd prefer Rae to Iggy without hesitation. The "nation for Quebec" thing, the Isreal flip-flop, the dislike-like Quebec language laws blither, and the general sense that this guy is very much out of touch with the country as a whole makes me wish he'd kept his comfy Harvard job where he expounded the supposed virtues of invading Iraq and mouthed on about America's role in Vietnam.

Iggy, go home.

As for Rae, at least he has had involvement in Canadian affairs at many levels for the last thirty years.

Ignateiff seems to be a pure politician, he has re-opened the Quebec nationality issue to ramp up support for him in Quebec. He doesn't care that he's opening up a can of worms, he just wants a few votes of support.

Ignateiff says he supported the Iraq war conflict, but the vast majority of Canadians - and as of 2005 a majority of Americans as well - agree that the operation was a mistake.

His comments on Israel and Palestine offer no better sign for his stances on foreign policy.

In my opinion, it is surprising that Ignatieff is the frontrunner at all. The Liberal leadership is looking for solid change, right?

Kennedy and Dion seem to embody what the Liberals need. In Dion you have a genuine Quebecer that understands the divisional problem, and won't just say something stupid to grab for votes on the nationality issue. In Kennedy you have a genuine Liberal who has a proven track record that he's interested in improving social programs (from what I've read his track record on education in Ontario is decent). And both Dion and Kennedy are at least true Canadians, Ignatieff seems to blow wherever the wind blows.

So the question stands, why is Ignatieff still running ahead?

Bob Rae sounds like a decent person, but his past is a record that can't be changed. One of the Liberal bases of Canada is the urban region around Toronto, other areas in Southern Ontario, and Bob Rae is highly unpopular in Ontario. He also has loyalty issues switching between NDP and Liberal. That may appeal to people who don't like to affiliate with parties, but it isn't enough to get him elected.

Is solid change going to come from installing a person who was with the NDP, had low popularity, and was practically thrown out of office barely 10 years in the past?

I don't think by weakening support in a Liberal base area is a good sign for solid change.

In my opinion Dion and Kennedy are the two best options in the race at this point, and out of the two I am inclined to support Kennedy.

Dion appears to be a Chretien era memory that is too close to the history surrounding his cabinet. Its too easy to tie him to the past, and Liberals need to distance themselves from anything closely related to sponsorship.

Based on all the factors, I think Kennedy is a clear choice for Liberal leadership. He's a fresh face, having come from provincial politics and not federal, and he offers a clear Liberal platform that is pro-social programs such as universal health care and not so obnoxious on the foreign policy as Ignatieff has so clearly demonstrated.
 

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