What's the future for the Conservative Party? | Page 31

Discussion in 'Politics & Diplomacy' started by Admiral Beez, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. Videodrome

    Videodrome Senior Member

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    At a time when the CPC could be going after Trudeau, they instead have to deal with internal conflict.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lynn-beyak-scheer-senate-analysis-wherry-1.4477978

    Interesting analysis. I don't think that the CPC is out of the picture with her out of caucus, but the Senate has a decision to make. Do they vote to suspend her or put up with her as an independent loudmouth? You can't fire a senator.

    http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-productive-solution-to-the-senator-lynn-beyak-problem/

    Make her actually win an election.
     
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  2. Jasmine18

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    I think the Tories have Zero Chance till the election after the next one.

    To be honest Trudeau has a lock on 40% of the vote in the country and well he has smartly kept the electoral system the same to ensure he keeps his majority.
     
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    Andrew Scheer also condemned the attack on the girl this week. Take a look at the replies though. The conservative base was calling it made up and attacking the girl for wearing a hijab.
     
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    Be honest the only way the Tories win the next election is if a Syrian Refugee that Trudeau Hugged engages in a terrorist attack ^^^

    The absurdity of that staement shows the state the Tories are in.
     
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    What if a hostage (or Islamist supporter) that he hugged is charged with assault, sexual assault, unlawful confinement, administering a noxious substance?
     
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    Yah, that essentially did happen already, as per @BurlOak says above.
     
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    She faked the story. Young girl was probably perpetrated by her mother to do this. Saw her mother on the news, she had on the full face covering on, she didn't seem that upset by it. Like her daughter, they were acting. They should be charged with Inciting Hate.

    Hijab-cutting incident involving Toronto girl did not happen: police

    http://www.680news.com/2018/01/15/hijab-cutting-hoax-toronto/
     
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  8. Videodrome

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    A lot of people got fooled by this family. The media, politicians, the general public...
     
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    Media should be more careful...They took a story based on limited fact and turned into a moral issue about whats wrong with Canada and etc...

    Now I heard a lot of people calling out CBC and The Star as Fake News and such...

    More high profile stories like that and I do think Canada will suffer the diease from the South of a large segment of the population simply not accepting basic facts from media instituions.
     
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    I think that in the social media era, it would have been impossible to prevent this from going viral, so to speak. As soon as TPS posted that tweet, it was bound to get attention. If Trudeau and co. didn't tweet about it fast enough, people would be critical. In Scheer's case, he was going to get criticized no matter what. The base would say he was pandering to Muslims and his critics would say he was being silent when he should be releasing a statement.
     
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    What a mess. Fooled me, and now I feel lied to.
     
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    This really raises a number of issues. Generally, I don't think you can blame an 11 year old girl for creating an international incident.
    • Why did the TDSB allow the girl to be at a press conference. The general rule is to always protect a minor. If the attacker was real - do we want him to know the name (and thus full identity, address, etc.) of the girl. With the attacker still on the loose - this was extremely foolish of the TDSB?
    • Why did the police allow this to happen. They should have warned the TDSB of the dangers?
    • Why did the police not just release the description of the attacker without identifying the victim?
    • Why did media not add some doubt to the reporting (i.e. using "alleged attack")?
    • Why did any politician use the girls name?
    • If the mother was not in on the lie, it is understandable how she and her daughter could have been used by the TDSB and a system that was looking for a poster child to make a political point. Then why did the girl lie on her own. Is the hijab akin to child abuse and this was her way of lashing out? Should she be removed from that house for her protection? Did she just rip her hijab and come up with the lie?
    • If the mother was in on the lie, why is she not charged with creating the hoax (obstruction of justice)?
     
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    Apparently some people were not fooled - but they are the ones who got criticized.
     
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    When you have no evidence that the case in question was fake, suggesting it is is like yelling fire in a theatre. I mean, let me replace this with I don't know, a case of sexual assault or child abuse - would yelling fake be acceptable?

    AoD
     
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    These people probably also believe in chemtrails and gay frogs (Alex Jones reference), but they ended up being right for once.

    At the time, and in this current environment, they came across as conspiracy theorists.
     

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