News   Jul 15, 2024
 570     3 
News   Jul 15, 2024
 738     0 
News   Jul 15, 2024
 597     0 

Welcome to Police State Canada

the role of the police is to diffuse problems, not to inflame them. if these officers are guilty, they should be dishonorably discharged from the service and their whole unit should be under investigation. this is a national embarrassment and improper use of our services. they have put the reputation of our police services at stake.
 
Um... proof?

I watched the video a day ago, didn't see much evidence or justification for the protestors to accuse those three of being cops.
 
Um... proof?

I watched the video a day ago, didn't see much evidence or justification for the protestors to accuse those three of being cops.

that's why i said
if these officers are guilty
but more correctly i should have wrote "if these people really are officers and are guilty".

i know they have the same boots as the officers but that could be a coincidence. if something was really going on, i'm sure they would have not been that clumsy on the details.

there can also be conspiracy on the protesters side, it could have all been staged to make it look like something was going on.
 
Anyone following the story knows that the boots aren't the 'sole' blip on the screen. Although some bloggers are analyzing the video frame by frame to show that the boots are all exactly the same. Outside cops are providing quotes on how embarassingly bad actors they were.

Either way, why is the proof burden on us? I stole this quote from this page ...

To compound the evidence, police have stated that only 4 protestors in total have been arrested and charged, two of them being women. Veteran protest organizers have confirmed the identity of the four as genuine protesters.

So what happened to the rock wielding anarchists?

Once the cop names them... :rolleyes: ...Dave Coles can move on and press assault charges against the rock dude. That should make things more interesting. Just waiting on our country's finest to provide the 'proof'.

And canuck... 12 Angry Men was a great movie and Henry Fonda was a great actor... :p
 
but were they the 3 guys with the rocks?

Interesting question. Admission of guilt without actually admitting to anything? Damage control step 1... while they brainstorm about step 2? I'll guess rock guy loses his job because well, he's rock guy and he's gonna cost them a shitload of money... so he's definitely gonna get 'booted'.

Damn, you all make me very cynical here! ;)
 
Ok! Now that we have an admission of guilt lets start some head rolling!
 
the only thing I think is strange, is these 3 "anarchists" wen't and had a discussion with the cops (what cop would just conduct a civil conversation with an anarchist?), and they really were not all that into what they were doing, they were kinda half assed shoving the cops, and they did'ent use the rocks, these guys just don't fit the bill of an anarchist.
 
The "protestors" who show up at these meetings, toss rocks, break windows, destroy stores, taunt police, light fires and deface public and private property actually divert attention away from the real work of negotiators and researchers from a whole host of organizations that have legitimate concerns, but communicate through civil means. As far as I'm concerned, these bandana -clad punks actually work against the efforts of the legitimate opposition.

The media just sucks up the imagery of the idiots dressed in bandanas who bash shit in and get credit for carrying out some sort of credible "protest" that achieves absolutely nothing.

Funny thing is, I have a pair of black boots with a yellow tag underneath them. Does that automatically constitute evidence that I am Quebec Provincial Police Officer?
 
QPP admit to 'agents' but not 'provocateurs'
Critics demand RCMP review
UNNATI GANDHI

Globe and Mail Update

August 24, 2007 at 1:25 AM EDT

Opposition parties are calling on the RCMP to review how it handled security at this week's Montebello summit after Quebec's provincial police force admitted late Thursday that three undercover officers had disguised themselves as demonstrators during a protest.

A video of the demonstration broadcast on the Internet – which shows three men with bandanas across their faces and large rocks in their hands taunting union members before being handcuffed and escorted away by police in riot gear – was at the centre of a controversy that erupted following the North American leaders meeting.

Those at the protest said the officers were acting like agents provocateurs by provoking violence from within the crowd.

Both the RCMP and the Sûreté du Québec initially had denied that any of their officers were involved.

Last night, the SQ said the officers were members of the force.

The SQ, however, also denied allegations its undercover officers were at the demonstrations to provoke the crowd and instigate violence.

“Their mandate was to seek out and identify non-peaceful demonstrators to avoid having things boil over,†a statement issued by the force read. “At no point did Sûreté du Québec policemen act as agents provocateurs or criminals.â€

But Marlene Jennings, the federal Liberal justice critic, said the issue goes beyond the provincial police force.

“The RCMP has some explaining to do,†she told The Globe and Mail Thursday night.

“If the RCMP was responsible for all security at this summit like [Minister of Public Safety Stockwell] Day says it was, the RCMP should have known that the Sûreté du Québec was using undercover officers to infiltrate the demonstrators.â€

Thursday, Mr. Day had directed those with concerns about the way security was carried out at the demonstrations to the two police forces' formal public complaints process.

Ms. Jennings said that was not enough.

“Mr. Day should be calling for, at the very least, the RCMP public complaints commissioner to look into it. … The tape was pretty incriminating.â€

NDP MP Peter Julian last night echoed his party's call for Mr. Day to hold a public inquiry into the allegations.

“Now that we have this revelation that police forces were under federal supervision, it raises a whole series of questions. Did they send agents into the crowd dressed as demonstrators, aggressive demonstrators at that? What was the mandate? Why were they carrying rocks?†he asked in an interview.

Melissa Leclerc, a spokeswoman for Mr. Day, said that the minister stood by his recommendation that protesters file a complaint. He said the RCMP assured him that “they do not use tactics that would encourage confrontation or incite violence.â€

While experts say that it is common practice to have officers blend in with protesters at such events, undercover police should never attempt to provoke others into misbehaving to create an excuse for police to act aggressively.

“We have people who blend in with the crowd. Everyone does that. All police forces in every country,†said Jean-Guy Dagenais, who heads the union of Quebec police officers (Association des policières et policiers provinciaux de Québec) that includes the Sûreté du Québec.

A former senior police officer said to not infiltrate the crowd would be “totally irresponsible.â€

“If somebody takes a gun out and shoots a police officer or the head of state, how do you identify who did it if you don't have people in the crowd? You can't afford to make that mistake.â€

He said there could be myriad reasons that the officers were detained by uniformed police, including the fact that the several hundred officers didn't know who was with whom.

But union leader Dave Coles, one of the organizers of the demonstration, said Monday's incident went beyond any undercover police officer's mandate.

“We're not talking about someone that's in plainclothes just walking amongst them. They were there armed with boulders. I witnessed them trying to incite a riot. I saw it,†said Mr. Coles, of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada.

“I asked them to put the boulder down. They refused to. They were there to provoke trouble.â

With reports from Bill Curry in Kujjuuaq, Que., and Gloria Galloway in Ottawa
 
The "protestors" who show up at these meetings, toss rocks, break windows, destroy stores, taunt police, light fires and deface public and private property actually divert attention away from the real work of negotiators and researchers from a whole host of organizations that have legitimate concerns, but communicate through civil means. As far as I'm concerned, these bandana -clad punks actually work against the efforts of the legitimate opposition.

The media just sucks up the imagery of the idiots dressed in bandanas who bash shit in and get credit for carrying out some sort of credible "protest" that achieves absolutely nothing.

Funny thing is, I have a pair of black boots with a yellow tag underneath them. Does that automatically constitute evidence that I am Quebec Provincial Police Officer?


I think Hydrogen's exactly right, and it's obviously what these cops were counting on.

It's pretty plain there in the movie. The union guys are trying to get the three cops to stop trying to create a confrontation, and to put down their rocks. The undercover cops refused, taunted the protestors, and charged the police line.
 

Back
Top