Allandale25
Senior Member
So they'll greenfield it between Peterborough and Smiths Falls?
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So they'll greenfield it between Peterborough and Smiths Falls?
Northern Light
Superstar
I wouldn't read too much into the detail.
Its fair to say the maps indicate contemplation of an Ottawa by-pass.
I'm not sure we can reasonably assert that they represent exact routing.
Lets keep in mind that map shows the Kingston Sub as being much straighter than it is in real life.
p_xavier
Active Member
HSR would have cost an estimated 65G$, 40G$ for the MTL-TO section as per the Feds guesstimates.
Northern Light
Superstar
In English, that reads as $65,000, and $40,000.
I know full well you mean 65 Billion.
Just letting you know how it reads. That number would be written as $65B in English. (when abbreviated), in full it would read $65,000,000,000
p_xavier
Active Member
I use the international standard of units as I said earlier like other media. It's stupid to use 50k$ as a salary in English then not use the other prefixes. I will continue to do so.
Northern Light
Superstar
A legitimate observation (and your welcome to your preference) which I share in some respects.
Which is to say, I like a consistent and logical approach to things.
That said, just reviewed monetary abbreviations in the French press and the Italian press and I find they both use British equivalent translations (milliards for billions); but also use T for trillions.
No one in the mainstream press so far as I can discern, in any language, uses the SI system; which is widely used, of course, in science.
Have you observed differently?
I'm all for changing that...........
p_xavier
Active Member
New Brunswick and Québec media I lived (La Presse has this use if you look in previous links from them). Also British tends to use $bn instead of $B which adds to the confusion. T$ is also used for Trillion in French media because it's about a Tera $, which continues the logic. I also hate that Million = Million, Billion = Milliard, Trillion = Billion. It adds necessary confusion in French as the words are the same but the meaning a thousand of magnitude higher. OCD material here : https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/what-is-the-accepted-abbreviation-for-billion
Northern Light
Superstar
The British version is especially odd.
At least in Canadian English its Bi, Tri, Quad, Quint, Sex, Sept, Oct, Nin, Dec
There is some logic to that; albeit it would make more sense to use the Metric/SI units.
kEiThZ
Superstar
So the bypass is on the table?
Wonder how this works. Splitting Ottawa and Montreal traffic hurts frequencies to both cities.
Wonder how this works. Splitting Ottawa and Montreal traffic hurts frequencies to both cities.
p_xavier
Active Member
Longer times probably would have cut ridership, plus shorter times free more trains for more frequencies. It's just weird to see 3 parallel routes so close to each other. I wonder what will be the multiplexed routes.
roger1818
Senior Member
I also suspect that as the travel time via Ottawa kept inching up, it got to the point where it was no longer time competitive. I, guessing it was cheaper to build an alternative. faster route to Smiths Falls than it was to speed up the route west of Smiths Falls even though the latter would have also benefited those traveling between Ottawa and Toronto.
I suspect initially they will only have a few trains a day that bypass Ottawa and will charge a premium fare for those. People on a budget, or who's schedule doesn't match up with the express trains will be able to take the train via Ottawa.
Cobra
Senior Member
My only comment on the matter with the up to 200km/h - When will this country finally act like this world`s 10th economy?
It's not like a HSR conversion will be cheaper in the future.
oh well election year - keep ''half assing'' it Canada
It's not like a HSR conversion will be cheaper in the future.
oh well election year - keep ''half assing'' it Canada
p_xavier
Active Member
My only comment on the matter with the up to 200km/h - When will this country finally act like this world`s 10th economy?
It's not like a HSR conversion will be cheaper in the future.
oh well election year - keep ''half assing'' it Canada
At the costs mentionned, there will never be HSR in my lifetime.
Well theorically it would be cheaper to operate the express trains.
crs1026
Superstar
^We may be inheriting (and the media may be confusing) maps that originated in the business case analysis with maps that show final route choices.
It's totally reasonable to map out all the lines between Toronto and Montreal and discuss the pro's and con's and costs of each of these - at the initial study phase..
The only value I can imagine gained by adding the Winchester route might be to reduce the number of meets taking place on the single track between Ottawa and Montreal. That might give assurance of faster times for trains on the VIA owned route.... but I can't imagine getting times on the Winchester line that compete with the Kingston line. And if this were in the cards, CP would not have gone ahead with this past year's single tracking of the Winchester. They would have waited and negotiated a deal with VIA that shared the cost.
CP is in the midlle of promoting ocean-bound intermodal between Saint John and Toronto and beyond. They would welcome passenger trains on their line like..... well, they wouldn't.
Any scenario that shifts significant numbers of trains off the CN line onto a HFR line also creates space on CN for those few express trains.
But who knows? We will see sooner, I guess.
- Paul
It's totally reasonable to map out all the lines between Toronto and Montreal and discuss the pro's and con's and costs of each of these - at the initial study phase..
The only value I can imagine gained by adding the Winchester route might be to reduce the number of meets taking place on the single track between Ottawa and Montreal. That might give assurance of faster times for trains on the VIA owned route.... but I can't imagine getting times on the Winchester line that compete with the Kingston line. And if this were in the cards, CP would not have gone ahead with this past year's single tracking of the Winchester. They would have waited and negotiated a deal with VIA that shared the cost.
CP is in the midlle of promoting ocean-bound intermodal between Saint John and Toronto and beyond. They would welcome passenger trains on their line like..... well, they wouldn't.
Any scenario that shifts significant numbers of trains off the CN line onto a HFR line also creates space on CN for those few express trains.
But who knows? We will see sooner, I guess.
- Paul
p_xavier
Active Member
Transport Canada still hasn't approved or have guidance for 200km/h railways, so that might even not be possible lol.My only comment on the matter with the up to 200km/h - When will this country finally act like this world`s 10th economy?
It's not like a HSR conversion will be cheaper in the future.
oh well election year - keep ''half assing'' it Canada