roger1818
Senior Member
My guess is they are going to add a bit of clarity to some of the money that is already in the budget, not promise new money.
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My guess is they are going to add a bit of clarity to some of the money that is already in the budget, not promise new money.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Update:
Announcement location in Quebec City.
finance.yahoo.com
Announcement location in Quebec City.
Media Advisory - Minister Alghabra, Minister Duclos, Minister Champagne, Parliamentary Secretary Lightbound and the Mayor Labeaume to make an announcement on High Frequency Rail in Quebec City
The Minister of Transport, the Honourable Omar Alghabra, the President of the Treasury Board, the Honourable Jean-Yves Duclos, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, the Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency...
crs1026
Superstar
^Notice the emphasis on "High Frequency Rail in Quebec"
Perhaps this helps derisk the larger project - it was the Quebec leg that was deemed not supported by the BCA.
- Paul
Perhaps this helps derisk the larger project - it was the Quebec leg that was deemed not supported by the BCA.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
Presumably an announcement that they'll resume the north-shore service through Trois-Rivieres, with some upgrades to the track using some of the recently announced money.
Certainly the low-hanging fruit in the HFR project. Probably could do the required track upgrades, for the price of getting HFR from Union to Markham Road - if not Leaside.
Certainly the low-hanging fruit in the HFR project. Probably could do the required track upgrades, for the price of getting HFR from Union to Markham Road - if not Leaside.
Reecemartin
Active Member
Apparently speeds of up to 200kph, thats high speed rail baby
ManyQuestions
Active Member
This is great news. 200kph operation means full grade separation in some sections. Likely means that they are currently just constructing the new tracks as non electrified lines with the speed being limited by the rolling stock. This is great because it means the higher speed operations should be possible with future electrification! My understanding is that this is both a huge upgrade right now and a path towards further massive improvements in the future!
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Looking forward to the details, including projected travel times. Hopefully we get some tomorrow.
roger1818
Senior Member
The key words in the statement are, "up to." The Acela runs at speeds up to 150 mph (240 km/h), but only for 33.9 mi (54.6 km) of its 457 mi (735 km) route. It will be interesting to see how much of the HFR route will be rated for 200 km/h service.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
The main thing is that it will allow for future track upgrades to 200 km/h without needing more rolling stock. I think it's do-able for O-M.
Allandale25
Senior Member
roger1818
Senior Member
We already knew that the Charger/Venture trainsets on order are rated for a top speed of 125 mph (201 km/h), so that isn't anything new. IIRC, it was actually a requirement in the RFQ for the new fleet.
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cplchanb
Senior Member
Devil is in the details though.... they tout 200kph but WHERE? If it's only for small sections like the NE corridor, there will be negligible improvements since most of the time it will be slow. Hopefully large sections of hundreds of km will be high speed
kEiThZ
Superstar
I don't get why anybody expects more than the travel times the Globe and Mail had a few years back. The "up to 200 kph" doesn't change anything. That's just the nameplate top speed of a Charger/Venture trainset. So unless the government is committing to substantially more investment, we should expect more than what was long rumoured.
Personally, I have always argued, they shouldn't electrify this time and just spend $6-7B to get a corridor that yields decent travel time, getting Toronto-Ottawa under 3 hrs and Toronto-Montreal under 4 hrs.
Personally, I have always argued, they shouldn't electrify this time and just spend $6-7B to get a corridor that yields decent travel time, getting Toronto-Ottawa under 3 hrs and Toronto-Montreal under 4 hrs.
nfitz
Superstar
Because things change, and today the minister said it would be faster.
Though it didn't help that the media initially reported it as high-speed rail, not high-frequency rail.
crs1026
Superstar
Relax, Relax.....there are level crossings like crazy along this line. Not gonna go 200 km/hr over those. But... it's dead straight.
St-Martin Jct (last major slow point east of Montreal) to Trois Rivieres is 82.3 miles, or 131.7 km. At 170 km/h that's 46 minutes. At 200 km/h that's 39.5 minutes. Not too shabby even with those crossings holding speed down.
Trois Rivieres to Pont Rouge (where the curves begin on the approach to Quebec City) is 83.2 kms. At 170 km/h - 29.4 minutes, at 200 km/hr that's 25.0 mins.
That's without worrying about accel/decel, or stops, or meets - but the point is - even at 170 km/h the trip is fast. Spending huge amounts of money to grade separate to get 200 km/h is only going to save 10 minutes.
I do hope there is a "demonstration" 200 km/hr segment somewhere, partly to gain operating experience and partly to make the thing a bit sexier for potential riders. But HFR is not about getting to 200 km/h/.... it's about getting marketable speed for the lowest possible price to demonstrate that the economics are favourable.
I suspect the Minister was just practicing his script for tomorrow.
- Paul
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