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Not sure if there is a thread already (didn't see it).

But I have to say, it's been a PHENOMENAL week.

I don't think I've ever seen this many canadian flags and memorabilia in my live. The streets, homes, people are covered in red and white.

It's a pretty amazing vibe over here. Anyone else here?
 
I'm here...the vibe is great.
Lots of Canadian flags hanging on condos and town houses...there's your real estate tie in.
 
Own the Podium clearly hasn't delivered what it promised, and the program has come under increasing criticism.

Anyone want to pile on, or defend it?
 
Own the Podium is not an Olympic athlete but a program to fund top notch Canadian athletes for Olympic competition. It is easy to blame "Own the Podium", but it is the athletes who did not deliver the medals. I support "Own the Podium" or whatever they call it next time. We need to achieve higher and create expectations of success, this does not come cheap and there is no guarantee of medal success. Look at the Russian, Italian and Japanese teams, once funding got cut off their medal results suffered. This will happen to Canada unless we continue to fund top notch Olympic athletes, even if they don't win medals, they still need to be competitive and in the game. We should go out and hire those American sport psychologists who are doing a bang up job with US athletes and abroad. I see Canada in the future winning more Gold medals than Silver or Bornze because winning the Gold is always the goal. Sort of like the Swiss, they win usually 6-8 gold medals with one or two silver or bronze.
 
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If you only look at Olympic medals, then sure it's maybe been a bit disappointing. But we have nearly 30 top 5s which is second to the US.

The problem is no one cares about how these athletes do outside of the Olympics, when any of these athletes would tell you that while the Olympics are the pinnacle, they owe a lot of the success they've had leading up to the games to the Own the Podium program. If we look at the 2009 World Championships, our athletes led the world in podium finishes.

Also, part of the problem is some athletes were a bit too over-hyped as sure-shots when really they were probably top 5-7 in the world in the event. Well top 5 is still amazing, but even if you're a top 5 athlete you have a 40% chance of not getting a medal.

Overall I like the program. I'm a believer that athletes can inspire others and sport in general needs to be funded at adequate levels.

Otherwise, I wish I would have gone to the games. It looks like people are having a blast and in a way it seems to be a bit of a turning point for the country. I've never seen such overt blasts of patriotism, and it's nice to see.
 
Own the Podium is all about an emerging competitive spirit among Canadians that goes beyond the messages we've heard in the past, that coming in fifth place is great and we should be proud even if our athletes don't reach the podium. Wanting to come out on top is not "American", it's a normal attitude in sport which I feel was diminished in Canadian sport.

Own the Podium will have to be finetuned. Its naive to think it would achieve unparalleled success at its first Olympics. Building a very competitive team takes more time. Its not just a matter of throwing some money around and thinking it should guarantee success or the program should be scraped.
 
Look at the Russian, Italian and Japanese teams, once funding got cut off their medal results suffered. This will happen to Canada unless we continue to fund top notch Olympic athletes

It should be noted that the overall medal leader, the US, isn't funded at all by the government... but by individual Americans and corporate sponsors. A lack of government funding doesn't have to spell doom for an Olympic team.
 
It should be noted that the overall medal leader, the US, isn't funded at all by the government... but by individual Americans and corporate sponsors. A lack of government funding doesn't have to spell doom for an Olympic team.

The U.S. also has a massive population which tends to help things along.

I think direct funding for Olympic athletes is kind of a red herring. What would likely make more of a difference is a stronger commitment to athletic education at a young age and more community facilities for sports and recreation. Throwing a million dollars at our best skier in the hopes that he gets lucky and comes 2nd instead of 5th isn't very proactive. Creating conditions where more people get into skiing and excel at skiing from a young age would have a stronger effect.

2006 was way too late to start trying to 'own the podium'.
 
By Linda McQuaig Columnist

No cost has been spared in mounting a giant spectacle of spandex-clad athletes performing dazzling feats in massive public venues.

Certainly, nobody seems to be letting the $6 billion price tag for Vancouver's Olympic extravaganza get in the way.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against sports. I appreciate the nuances of a fine skeleton performance as much as the next person.

My point is simply to question why goals other than mounting gala sports events are routinely dismissed on the grounds that we can't afford them.

Of course, sports extravaganzas often have side benefits. We're told that with the 2015 Pan Am Games coming here, Toronto may finally get its public transit system upgraded.

How's that? Are the Pan Am countries – an assortment of mostly poverty-stricken Latin American nations – going to chip in to improve Toronto's subway system?

No. We're going to pay. So why don't we just decide to do it without the Games, given the need and the looming climate change disaster?

The conventional explanation is that the public won't pay otherwise. But is the public the real obstacle here?

We've been exhorted to believe in the magic of sports, in the transformative power of the Olympic torch – that no dream is too big to dream, that guts and willpower will bring us glory.

But next week, when Ottawa brings down its budget, all that big-thinking and sky-high believing is to be shelved. We'll be advised to think small, think restraint, focus on the impossibility of things. Deficits will own the podium.

That's not because the public only cares about sports. It's because the corporate world only supports public investments when it comes to sports and war, from which it makes money. But it wants to hold the line on public investment in health care, education, child care, social supports, etc.

So it's tried to convince us these things aren't affordable, or that we don't want to pay for them – as we did in the past.

From the end of World War II, federal spending was almost always above 15 per cent of GDP, until the massive Liberal spending cuts of the mid-1990s brought it way down to about 12 per cent, notes economist Armine Yalnizyan.

Those cuts – made to reduce deficits caused by recession and overly tight monetary policy – became permanent, even after balanced budgets were quickly restored in the late 1990s.

Despite a decade of huge federal surpluses since then, the Liberals and the Conservatives failed to restore spending levels that prevailed during the prosperous early postwar decades, cutting taxes in response to corporate pressure instead.

The Harper government has made clear that once the stimulus package expires, federal spending will return to the historically low levels of the past decade.

But this is disastrous policy. Given the severity of the ongoing recession, what is needed now is massive public investment to put the country back to work and rebuild our crumbling social and physical infrastructure.

For millions of young people, holding a job is a dream just as surely as competing before the hometown crowd.

But we're supposed to believe that, beyond sports, we can't afford to meet our needs, no matter how pressing.

Perhaps we could finally get some serious action on climate change if it were a curling bonspiel – rather than simply a crisis that threatens life as we know it on this planet.
 
Yes, Own the Podium has been a dud. Everyone's assuming we'll win a whole bunch of medals the last few days but that may not happen. The *entire* point of the program was to turn top 5s into top 3s and translate world championship and tour success into podium finishes by throwing money at a very small group of elite athletes most likely to be within striking distance of the podium. 'Encouraging personal bests' and 'building a legacy of excellence' and so on were not the goals of the program, though we won't know the long-term effects of this funding injection until this quadrennial's crop of Olympians competes in future games, or becomes coaches, or if this program evolves into something with actual long-term goals (which would take a hell of a lot more money). It seems like a lot of money was spent, but if you're supporting a few hundred athletes for a few years, $100M goes extremely quickly...new skates, new bobsleds, masseurs, sports psychologists, plane tickets, etc.
 
Once I realized that the "Women's Super-G" wasn't what I feared it was, I relaxed and began to enjoy the Games. I'm really getting into the spirit of things now - indeed, in the past week I've urged "Go for the gold!" and "Own the podium, baby!" in circumstances that I'm sure were never anticipated by those who coined the expressions.
 

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