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U of T: Multi Faith Centre

I did not know that!

I'm just curious about the debauchery part. Do such things actually happen in Riverdale Park?

Beyond this curiosity, I am told that the most ardent and strict religious types tend to be the best at this all too human activity (debauching).
 
Seriously, why don't they just build a small mosque or something? You know that's what they want to do but some prejudiced Christian group is complaining about it and demanding it be multi-faith. The multi-faith, icons-in-alcoves aspect is hogwash. There's a Catholic church smack dab in the middle of the campus - not to mention the entire Catholic college over at St. Mike's. They just built the Wolfond Centre for Jewish Campus Life. There's probably tons of other spaces, churches, centres, for other denominations either on campus (Knox College, etc.) or within walking distance. Build a little mosque, a Hindu temple, whatever, just ditch the multi-faith nonsense.

There are far more religions than just Christianity and Islam.

I doubt there's the numbers to justify building a centre for each and every group/denomination, so a multifaith centre is a way to go.

I like the idea actually. If it was just a single-religion centre there would probably be quite a few people calling for a Multi Faith centre.
 
Trouble with the "Multi Faith Centre" concept is that it sounds strangely washed-out cold-war 50s-ish, akin to multi-purpose venues like the O'Keefe. (Of course, back then "multi-faith" might have meant little/nothing more than Catholic/Protestant/Jewish...)
 
"There are far more religions than just Christianity and Islam."

As if I didn't know that. The multi-faith centre is catered towards "four of the most active faith groups on campus." The lowest common denominator must be built, resulting in a white box of a room with a window and every potentially offensive thing hidden in cupboards and alcoves...there's dozens of quiet, inspiring, or even grand spaces on and around the campus where people of any faith can go and I doubt any other denomination - or any of the 'four,' which probably includes groups who already have large spaces on campus - will be satisfied with this centre.
 
they build a multi faith center before, i think it's called the middle east. it didn't work out too well. ;)


IMO, it should be called the "selected faith center". i'm pretty sure they won't allow devil worshiping, human sacrifice, orgies, etc.

as long as the classrooms are agnostic, that's all that matters. i'd hate to go to a doctor one day for a cold and him telling me "say ten our fathers, squeeze the donkeys nuts and you'll be fine"

:eek
 
Hindu Sacred Place

Credit River ritual raises ripple in Peel

Local Hindu leaders lobbying for sacred place to scatter ashes, make offerings

Mar 03, 2007 04:30 AM
Phinjo Gombu
STAFF REPORTER

Adrienne Duff noticed them three years ago, drifting in a Brampton branch of the Credit River.

Clusters of flowers, plastic statues, coconuts – some still wrapped in plastic – even jewellery and money.

"We started receiving calls from landowners, not just on Fletcher's Creek but also in the main Credit area," said Duff, a watershed-monitoring specialist with Credit Valley Conservation.

The mystery was traced to devout Hindus who were making river offerings as a means of conveying blessings, part of their traditional worship.

Worried about the potential environmental impact, the conservation agency, along with Toronto and Region Conservation Authority, which is seeing similar things, began the delicate task of finding a compromise.

Priests and temple elders promised to help by urging community members to limit their offerings to small amounts of flowers.

But that was only part of it.

Devout Hindus hope their cremated remains will be dispersed in moving water. The ritual, a symbolic cleansing of the body, is being quietly practised within a GTA Hindu community of 200,000, as of the 2001 census, that is growing rapidly.

"In any discussion of the issue of river offerings, we cannot avoid discussing the issue of ash remains," said Roopnauth Sharma, president of the Federation of Hindu Temples of Canada and a spiritual leader at Ram Mandir (temple) in Mississauga. Hindus hope to find a safe and sanctioned place where last rites and other rituals can be performed freely.

"Right now this is happening in Ontario," Sharma said. "People are dying and people are depositing ashes (in lakes and rivers). We're not sure whether it's against the law."

The province's environment ministry says it has no problem with the practice so long as it is carried out with "dignity, decorum and consideration of other members of the community." Conservation authorities argue it is not allowed and is subject to local bylaws.

The need for clarity has become acute as the time-honoured practice of flying ashes back to India for immersion in the Ganges River is losing its lustre within a Hindu community that has become increasingly integrated into Canadian life.

Beginning with a small temple in the '70s on Queen St. W., Hindus have founded at least 20 temples around the Golden Horseshoe.

Not only is sending ashes to India expensive, but second- and third-generation Hindu Canadians, whose roots range from Guyana and Trinidad to South Africa and Fiji, often have little if any emotional connection remaining with India.

Immersing ashes in a river, somewhere, is one of the final steps in the elaborate death ritual for a devout Hindu. But in Canada its legality has yet to be confronted head-on.

"We've concluded that we cannot just stop people from doing it," Sharma said.

He and other spiritual leaders are quietly preparing to lobby for a spot, somewhere on a river or lake system, that would be designated as a place to make offerings and scatter ashes.

It's a highly emotional issue for Inderjit Bhagria, a 73-year-old elder and head of the Hindu Sabha temple, whose tower dominates the skyline of The Gore Rd. north of Highway 7.

The former machinist has lived here for 37 years and – though India still tugs at his heartstrings – he believes his home is here alongside his son, daughter, grandchildren, in-laws and wife.

"The time will come when people won't (send their ashes) over there (to India) if there is a nice place here," said Bhagria, a volunteer at the temple.

"My instructions to my family and friends are, Why should we take our ashes there when we are living over here?"

"If we have a proper place, those ashes should be immersed here in a proper way."

"The proper way" is the operative phrase, explained Shastri Abhay Dev Sharma, a priest who leads a congregation of more than 3,000 devotees at the Brampton Hindu Sabha.

Sharma is co-operating with the conservation authority by distributing its flyers, but said it's hard to stop the congregation from practising its beliefs.

"It's the completion of the cycle, the central tenet of Hindu belief," Pandit Sharma, of Ram Mandir, said of the ash ritual.

Mohan Magoo, who sits on the executive of the Hindu Sabha, said the government has yet to offer a solution.

"We can assure you that if we are given a place where we can freely put our offerings in the water, people will not go quietly in the night and make their offerings" (elsewhere), Magoo said.

"We would love to do it properly," he said. "Right now the priest cannot go there (to the water) because it's illegal. If there's a proper place where it can be done properly with (the priest's) blessings, people would love to do it that way."

Duff said the conservation authority is treading carefully, not taking an enforcement-minded approach to the prohibition of religious offerings in the rivers, and not dealing with the issue of human ashes at all.

In India, she points out, the rivers used for such purposes may be large, but streams in the GTA are not. "Our perspective is that anything that is placed in the river that is not naturally found there has the potential to impact the health of the river."

Providing a designated place is not something the conservation authority can address, she said, adding that attempts have been made to connect Hindu leaders with the appropriate private and government agencies.

In England, Hindus have received permission to scatter ashes on the banks of a river in Yorkshire near Bradford and the River Soar in Leicester.

For Pandit Sharma, it is not a question of whether but when.

"When there were only X number of people here, it wasn't a big issue," he said. "But now the demographics show that the community has grown, and there are people who are born here and they don't want to necessarily have their ashes going back to the motherland.

"This is the motherland, and it should be done here."
 
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I'm sure they can find some way to carry out their rituals without polluting the rivers. Perhaps they can build an artificial stream (yes... Markville Mall style) somewhere for the ritual.
 
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I really don't have a problem with the ashes and flowers in the river as long as it doesn't end up polluting the river. Would ashes really be that damaging to the environment? I guess it depends how much ashes we're talking about. Ashes are really just carbon anyway, aren't they? How dangerous can that be!
 
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Ashes are really just carbon anyway, aren't they? How dangerous can that be!

why don't we ask al gore :D ;)
 
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haha. well it's already ash and its not gaseous carbon, so it's not going to get in the atmosphere and increase GHG emissions, so no global warming from the ashes (although the cremation process is probably bad for the environment).
 
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^You are thinking of carbon dioxide. Very fashionable in fire extinguishers.


Most of the remains after cremation are calcium phosphate, the remnants of the skeleton. The soft tissue is vapourised.
 
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On the news this weekend, a bit about this showed all sorts of other debris scattered in a frozen creek too - like associated cups (that held flowers maybe?) and plastic bags. It was a mess, and rather disgraceful really.

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I don't think it should be unlegislated. I think something along Wylie's suggestion is the solution, or perhaps designate a small area of a stream for that particular community to carry these ceremonies with appropriate measures in place for clean-up; maybe a catch-basin of some kind to collect the..um.. stuff.
 
There is an excellent article by Lisa Rochon on the centre in today's Globe and Mail Reviews.

AoD
 

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