drum118
Superstar
When the Master Transit Plan was first looked at starting in 2004, we were confine to a small area like most EA's and not having a say or option as to things that could effect the Master EA outside the area.
Were were to based the EA on a vision for the waterfront based on various density proposed for the various areas.
We did look at all modes of transit and at the end of the day streetcars made the grade barely since TTC prefer not to go to buses and used the existing streetcar system as a backbone.
The Master EA plan call for a GO Station at Cherry St that would be service by ""ALL"" GO east routes including the RHC line.
We had no say in the Gardiner as well.
What we have seen since then 2004 as well the approved EA is a totally different vision as to what Density will be, where it will be, hop scotching of development from one area to another area to the point some areas are way down the list for development. Waterfront Toronto was promises new LRV and QQE by 2007 and here we are 8 years later still waiting for them while development is happen faster than plan.
The Whole Portland area is a 25-50 year plan to the point the city has decided to removed transit from existing plans since they are beyond the 25 year time frame now in their view.
The Keating Channel is still 10-15 years out with developers wanting into this area before then as well the cleaning of the land and building new infrastructure.
I have been on record since 2006 when TTC presented the current proposal for Union Loop that it was only good for 10-15 and needs to be build right from day one. The ridership being shown in past posting are lower than what was presented in 2006 and fails to take into consideration the major redevelopment now plan, let alone underway.
I have always supported an express type LRT on the Lake Shore which was in the approved Master Plan before being sent to the Province for final approval. When the Province requested the Master Plan be broken down into 3 separated EA's, TTC removed the Lake Shore Line unknown to most of the committee who wrote the EA with the backing of Waterfront Toronto.
TTC is at fault for the delay of building the QQE extension since they want to build this outdated loop with no option to upgrade it as some future date. At the same time, Metrolinx is on the hock for not really looking at this loop issue and not willing to kick in money to build a true Transit Hub beside buses.
The worse thing the City/TTC/Metrolinx can do is building the DRL to Union Station when there is no capacity there in the first place, let alone the streets around it to handle the extra 1,000's of riders arriving or departing especially at peak time. Its a zoo now at Front St let alone on Bay.
Having A DRL mid way between Front & Queen is not a killer and in line how people do it in various areas around the world today.
The longer we keep pushing back on the approved Transit Plans, More cars will make there way in creating more of a gridlock than been plan and having an bad effect on everyone life on a daily base.
To go elevated, you need to change a lot of powerful minds with deep pockets as well the street designs that are nearing final designs, but who going to pay for this??
There is a public meeting in October for the final design of the Keating Channel area and it calls for both the Cherry St and QQE extension.
You can't keep building orphan systems like the SRT as you need to build it into a network.
As for the Dockland proposal, Only good in London and not for here. I have been on it. Unless you plan building a long line, too short for here.
Were were to based the EA on a vision for the waterfront based on various density proposed for the various areas.
We did look at all modes of transit and at the end of the day streetcars made the grade barely since TTC prefer not to go to buses and used the existing streetcar system as a backbone.
The Master EA plan call for a GO Station at Cherry St that would be service by ""ALL"" GO east routes including the RHC line.
We had no say in the Gardiner as well.
What we have seen since then 2004 as well the approved EA is a totally different vision as to what Density will be, where it will be, hop scotching of development from one area to another area to the point some areas are way down the list for development. Waterfront Toronto was promises new LRV and QQE by 2007 and here we are 8 years later still waiting for them while development is happen faster than plan.
The Whole Portland area is a 25-50 year plan to the point the city has decided to removed transit from existing plans since they are beyond the 25 year time frame now in their view.
The Keating Channel is still 10-15 years out with developers wanting into this area before then as well the cleaning of the land and building new infrastructure.
I have been on record since 2006 when TTC presented the current proposal for Union Loop that it was only good for 10-15 and needs to be build right from day one. The ridership being shown in past posting are lower than what was presented in 2006 and fails to take into consideration the major redevelopment now plan, let alone underway.
I have always supported an express type LRT on the Lake Shore which was in the approved Master Plan before being sent to the Province for final approval. When the Province requested the Master Plan be broken down into 3 separated EA's, TTC removed the Lake Shore Line unknown to most of the committee who wrote the EA with the backing of Waterfront Toronto.
TTC is at fault for the delay of building the QQE extension since they want to build this outdated loop with no option to upgrade it as some future date. At the same time, Metrolinx is on the hock for not really looking at this loop issue and not willing to kick in money to build a true Transit Hub beside buses.
The worse thing the City/TTC/Metrolinx can do is building the DRL to Union Station when there is no capacity there in the first place, let alone the streets around it to handle the extra 1,000's of riders arriving or departing especially at peak time. Its a zoo now at Front St let alone on Bay.
Having A DRL mid way between Front & Queen is not a killer and in line how people do it in various areas around the world today.
The longer we keep pushing back on the approved Transit Plans, More cars will make there way in creating more of a gridlock than been plan and having an bad effect on everyone life on a daily base.
To go elevated, you need to change a lot of powerful minds with deep pockets as well the street designs that are nearing final designs, but who going to pay for this??
There is a public meeting in October for the final design of the Keating Channel area and it calls for both the Cherry St and QQE extension.
You can't keep building orphan systems like the SRT as you need to build it into a network.
As for the Dockland proposal, Only good in London and not for here. I have been on it. Unless you plan building a long line, too short for here.
