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(though, note that the government has exempted government-employed engineers to be professionally licenced ... though many are voluntarily).
Is that because they don't actually 'sign off' on designs, don't want to have to pay the licencing fees, or both. Having said that, I don't know if they pay dues, etc. for other professions, like lawyers.
 

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Is that because they don't actually 'sign off' on designs, don't want to have to pay the licencing fees, or both. Having said that, I don't know if they pay dues, etc. for other professions, like lawyers.
I always assumed it was the former, because I've certainly hard of them paying for the latter.

But now I wonder if it's because they'd prefer them to not have a legal duty to put human safety before loyalty to one's employer. Though that does start to send me to whacknut conspiracy world ...
 

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New video up. This week about the short lived Mount Pleasant Streetcar. It only existed for 15 months before being abandoned for no reason in my opinion.
Ridership with streetcars on Mt. Pleasant was almost FOUR times that of the diesel buses that now operate on it. Used to be four PCC streetcars on Mt. Pleasant versus the one or two diesel buses they now use in the non-rush hours.
 
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TTC has talk about another yard to handle future cars that will not fit any of TTC current site and where do they find the land for it,

At this time there are 2 larger lots in Mimico that can handle a new yard and carhouse. The first one would require extending Kipling track north to New Toronto St and then 2 blocks to Sixteen St that is the smallest of the 2 sites that is current level and empty. The 2nd is at New Toronto St and Eight St that is current level and empty. Both would be larger than Roncesvalles and the largest would larger than Russell yard.

Getting tracks to the 2nd location has issues as there are 2 routes to do it. The first route is by Islington and the 2nd is by Eight St that will up sit the residence at Lake Shore.

Both yards would require more deadheading to/from routes other than Queen 501L
 

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TTC has talk about another yard to handle future cars that will not fit any of TTC current site and where do they find the land for it,

At this time there are 2 larger lots in Mimico that can handle a new yard and carhouse. The first one would require extending Kipling track north to New Toronto St and then 2 blocks to Sixteen St that is the smallest of the 2 sites that is current level and empty. The 2nd is at New Toronto St and Eight St that is current level and empty. Both would be larger than Roncesvalles and the largest would larger than Russell yard.

Getting tracks to the 2nd location has issues as there are 2 routes to do it. The first route is by Islington and the 2nd is by Eight St that will up sit the residence at Lake Shore.

Both yards would require more deadheading to/from routes other than Queen 501L
I thought they were going to shift other things from Hillcrest on Bathurst and put more streetcar stuff there. The Yard already has track so they could avoid laying much more.
 

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TTC has talk about another yard to handle future cars that will not fit any of TTC current site and where do they find the land for it,

At this time there are 2 larger lots in Mimico that can handle a new yard and carhouse. The first one would require extending Kipling track north to New Toronto St and then 2 blocks to Sixteen St that is the smallest of the 2 sites that is current level and empty. The 2nd is at New Toronto St and Eight St that is current level and empty. Both would be larger than Roncesvalles and the largest would larger than Russell yard.

Getting tracks to the 2nd location has issues as there are 2 routes to do it. The first route is by Islington and the 2nd is by Eight St that will up sit the residence at Lake Shore.

Both yards would require more deadheading to/from routes other than Queen 501L
I think you're thinking of the discontinued CP Rail Obico Yard, west of Kipling Station.
map_obico_yd1971.jpg

From link.

They are "thinking" (what is the smoke coming from?) about a new TTC subway yard for Line 2 and maybe a new bus garage to replace the current Queensway garage (Kipling & Evans).
man-head-smoking-problems-conceptual-shot-holding-hands-temples-looking-frustrated-smoke-coming-out-115174207.jpg

From link.
 

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I think you're thinking of the discontinued CP Rail Obico Yard, west of Kipling Station.
map_obico_yd1971.jpg

From link.

They are "thinking" (what is the smoke coming from?) about a new TTC subway yard for Line 2 and maybe a new bus garage to replace the current Queensway garage (Kipling & Evans).
man-head-smoking-problems-conceptual-shot-holding-hands-temples-looking-frustrated-smoke-coming-out-115174207.jpg

From link.
No and you are too far north of the areas. Drove by them a few days ago.
 

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I thought they were going to shift other things from Hillcrest on Bathurst and put more streetcar stuff there. The Yard already has track so they could avoid laying much more.
Will never handle future needs. Hillcrest would be for 511 and 512 from my point of view.
 

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How will they deal with the fact that this proposed yard has only one access to the rest of the system? Unless they build out tracks on the Queensway west of Humber loop, and build out the Lakeshore east on its own bridge over the Humber and link that to Dufferin Loop, there is no way back to the rest of the system without going through the KQQR intersection. That is unless they want to start backing vehicles into Roncesvalles Yard.

I recall an incident where there was scheduled construction on Queen and an issue happened on Gerrard that effectively prevented most of our streetcars from getting out for a morning, so I don't think such a disruption is unprecedented.
 

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It would be interesting if they would consider the St Clair / Keele area. An excuse to turn the Keele route into a streetcar route, possibly extend the Dundas streetcar and it should be more convenient than using Mimico
 

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From my point of view, have recommended during EA meetings that a Queensway line be built, but push back by TTC and the City, but will happen some time in the future by them. Being involved with transit since 2004, I have heard a number of time of a Kipling Line from the Lake Shore to the subway, but have never seen any plans for it. Comes from TTC and elsewhere.

To put a line on Kipling requires rebuilding the RR underpass that is badly needed replacement now for trucks. From the Lake Shore to the Queensway, either single lane with ROW or widen it as well replace the overpass.

New Toronto street would have to be widen since this is a truck route.

Keele is wide enough for an ROW starting at the Queensway and would require the RR overpass to be rebuilt going north. Keele Riders would have to walk to the east entrance as there is no easy way to get streetcar to Kipling station.

Going east from Kipling Station on Dundas has been in TTC plan to connect to St Clair for decades and a lot longer than I been around. It will be a dog fight to do so as Dundas is narrow with on street parking that would become single lane. We know of the plan to get 512 to Dundas which was place on the back burner in 2008 as the City wanted to see how the new ROW for 512 would work over time. CP new underpass will be rebuilt with provision of the streetcar going under it.
 

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