TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[nfitz]

TTC streetcar derails at Queen and Coxwell

No injuries were reported after a streetcar derailed at Queen Street East and Coxwell Avenue.

toronto.citynews.ca

Exactly! That's pretty much the only major incident. No damage and service was quickly restored. Meanwhile 501 service continued to run going around. I'd think those that advocate for subway are the ones with egg on their face today!

I can't imagine just why anyone would complain about this. They were shovelling buses out of snow banks nearby for the last storm - and that never even made the news.

 

[APTA-2048]

One derailment over 24 hours of record snowfall? I'd consider that a success. I was out watching the King streetcars whizz by last night and they seemed to have very little issue.

Especially when you see how much buses struggled in the same time.

 

[mrgrieves]

It was drifting snow.

The outages are all in the open cut where crews are likely trying to dig out.

i thought they have special maintenance trains with plows that clear the lines. i cant imaging there's huge crews of works with shovels. can they not just keep running the maintenance trains?

 

[asey20]

One derailment over 24 hours of record snowfall? I'd consider that a success. I was out watching the King streetcars whizz by last night and they seemed to have very little issue.

Probably due to street cars using a catenary system whereas the subway uses third rail for power. I assume the issue would be with the train losing power on the outdoor section due to the third rail being covered in snow.

Knowing the TTC, it is probably also precautionary.

 

[txlseries4]

In an update with the Mayor on the news, Josh Colle said TTC employees (believe he said "several hundred") are hand shovelling on the outdoor sections to get the subway back in operation. Also said they are (or were, last night) storing trains in the tunnels so that service in the morning could begin quicker.

 

[T3G]

Probably due to street cars using a catenary system whereas the subway uses third rail for power. I assume the issue would be with the train losing power on the outdoor section due to the third rail being covered in snow.

Knowing the TTC, it is probably also precautionary.

Catenary tends to suffer more during ice storms. Streetcars all over the world tend to be fine when it's merely snowing.

 

[Amare]

In an update with the Mayor on the news, Josh Colle said TTC employees (believe he said "several hundred") are hand shovelling on the outdoor sections to get the subway back in operation. Also said they are (or were, last night) storing trains in the tunnels so that service in the morning could begin quicker.

Which is also something Mosaic employees should be doing as well, instead of you know Metrolinx paying them money to sit on their hands and do nothing so LRVs cant operate on Finch West.

 

[A.Malik.77]

Which is also something Mosaic employees should be doing as well, instead of you know Metrolinx paying them money to sit on their hands and do nothing so LRVs cant operate on Finch West.

Michael Lindsay called them out this morning on the radio. This is honestly a bit depressing. Maintenance should have been kept under public control. A whole LRT line is now dependant on the penny-pinching of a faceless consortium that will vanish into the air w/o any accountability.

 

[urbanclient]

i thought they have special maintenance trains with plows that clear the lines. i cant imaging there's huge crews of works with shovels. can they not just keep running the maintenance trains?

Gee, I wonder what line they practically forgot to procure equipment and allocate crews to unfreeze and clear snow on... What comes after 5?

 

[mrgrieves]

Michael Lindsay called them out this morning on the radio. This is honestly a bit depressing. Maintenance should have been kept under public control. A whole LRT line is now dependant on the penny-pinching of a faceless consortium that will vanish into the air w/o any accountability.

will it be same story for Eg LRT?

 

[JasonParis]

This snow event is on the same scale as 1999, when Mel famously called in the army. We shouldn’t judge the open-cut or outdoor sections of the network too harshly—there’s always room to learn and improve, but this is truly a once-in-a ~25-years event.

 

[Mihairokov]

This snow event is on the same scale as 1999, when Mel famously called in the army. We shouldn’t judge the open-cut or outdoor sections of the network too harshly—there’s always room to learn and improve, but this is truly a once-in-a ~25-years event.

Wasn't the 1999 event multiple days of sustained snow?

Anyway, the dunking on Toronto for calling in the army has always bugged me. The army should be helping places shovel out when there's substantial snowfall.

 

[Northern Light]

Michael Lindsay called them out this morning on the radio. This is honestly a bit depressing. Maintenance should have been kept under public control. A whole LRT line is now dependant on the penny-pinching of a faceless consortium that will vanish into the air w/o any accountability.

Their contract should be terminated for cause.

I mean, even if the government's lawyers are idiots and didn't spell out maximum out-of-service times, there is a basic principle of common law that a contract is only valid if there is a meeting of the minds and an exchange of goods, services or money that a reasonable person could understandably agree to....

No reasonable person would accept that a reasonable standard is a train line that's been out of service almost as much as its been in service. Terminate the contract.

 

[APTA-2048]

Wasn't the 1999 event multiple days of sustained snow?

Anyway, the dunking on Toronto for calling in the army has always bugged me. The army should be helping places shovel out when there's substantial snowfall.

People often forget or don’t know that the main reason was emergency services were pretty much paralyzed. If I recall correctly, there was at least one death attributed to a delay in emergency services getting to them.

 

[gabe]

People often forget or don’t know that the main reason was emergency services were pretty much paralyzed. If I recall correctly, there was at least one death attributed to a delay in emergency services getting to them.

Toronto calling in the army to "shovel" has become a comedy meme now, but it was a serious event. Over 100 cm of snow, we had back to back storms. Cars were abandoned in the middle of the roads. EMS couldn't get through the snow. I remember my dad and neighbors, armed with shovels digging out a police car and other vehicles stuck on the road.