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Richard White said:
Apparently the asbestos issue was identified earlier in the day.

ATU raised hell and demanded action be taken in the morning but nothing happened until the evening.

The thinking is that if this isn't deemed safe by the early morning we will have issues for the start of service

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1p7ol4u/fyi
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I thought they removed all of it in the early 2000's? They did all those weekend closures to remove it.
So did a piece break off the wall and fall onto the tracks?
 
81-717 said:
But it used to be 18 years before? Or did the Orion Vs last 6 years beyond their design life?
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The last buses that the TTC bought that were designed to last 18 years were the Orion VIIs, and even then there was a pretty big asterisk attached to it.

But even prior to that, most buses just weren't designed to last that long. That goes for Novas, New Flyers, and even GMs. In the US, the replacement cycle since the 1970s was fixed at every 12 years, so that's what the manufacturers built to.

Dan
 
Would like to see all transit routes have no on-street parking. However, the automobile disciples (like Mayor Doug Ford) would be upset. So how about no parking, no standing, and no stopping on the days or nights when get garbage collection? That would be a start.
 
gabe said:
... Maybe instead of wasting millions on re-naming stations. They could spend that money on safety instead?..
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turbanplanner said:
This is concerning
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I would prefer that the province spend millions to open and staff more psychiatric institutions, if there aren't enough.
From what I can see, the main problem here seems to be that the individuals with severe mental issues repeatedly causing the problems and delays on the TTC are apprehended under the Ontario Mental Health Act, then apparently (and otherwise inexplicably) released almost immediately. That's not the city's responsibility. And if they weren't left to freely wander around, there wouldn't be the need for so much security and police presence.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/off-rails-data-exposes-crime-182739381.html
... Nearly all Mental Health Act cases list the name of a specific hospital the person in question was taken to, often the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health...
... a person was said to have been apprehended three times under the Mental Health Act in a span of 24 hours ...
... "hospital keeps releasing them" ...
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SubHuman said:
I would prefer that the province spend millions to open and staff more psychiatric institutions, if there aren't enough.
From what I can see, the main problem here seems to be that the individuals with severe mental issues causing the problems and delays on the TTC are apprehended under the Ontario Mental Health Act, then apparently (and otherwise inexplicably) released almost immediately. That's not the city's responsibility. And if they weren't freely left to wander around, there wouldn't be the need for so much security and police presence.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/off-rails-data-exposes-crime-182739381.html
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You would need to overhaul the interpretation of the mental health act. People have free will which is interpreted as such that it's their free will to refuse treatment.

Just like if I have a terminal illness I have the right to refuse treatment. The problem arises when that person doesn't have the mental state to make their own decisions. How do you force them to get treatment?

I deal with this struggle on a daily basis with a family member and just because they are not a functional human being doesn't mean you can force them to get treatment.

They have to specifically be a danger to themselves or others and it has to be clearly defined.

So until they pick up a knife and stab someone there is nothing you can do, and at that point it's too late.

Even saying I will stab you is not enough because the court could interpret it as they were not going to actually stab you.

This is why police won't take action unless it's 100% clear. Otherwise they can get in trouble for overstepping their boundaries.
 
I would say someone climbing down onto the subway tracks (particularly multiple times) is clearly dangerous to themselves.
I'm not sure what the supposed effective "treatment" would be, other than not letting them freely wander around to keep doing it. Star Trek isn't real. Unfortunately there isn't some magic device or pill that cures brain damage.

As pointed out here before, New York has changed their enforcement away from a "culture of abandonment", which in part existed similarly because of a common apocryphal misinterpretation of the law (as opposed to the actual law).
https://archive.is/1wwld
https://www.city-journal.org/article/new-york-budget-mental-health-reform-involuntary-commitment-law
... longstanding culture of abandoning the mentally ill stems from a misreading of state law. For years, police and other frontline workers have believed that they couldn’t intervene—even when encountering a visibly psychotic individual on the subway—unless that person was suicidal or violent. But, as explained in a state Office of Mental Health guidance issued in February 2022, that notion of “imminent dangerousness” as a prerequisite to action was not rooted in state law...
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SubHuman said:
I would say someone climbing down onto the subway tracks (particularly multiple times) is clearly dangerous to themselves.
I'm not sure what the supposed effective "treatment" would be, other than not letting them freely wander around to keep doing it.
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You can lock them up but after the 72 hour hold and they still refuse to take their medication you can't keep them.

Now if they tried to jump infront of a train then because they tried to harm themselves they have to get therapy. But even that they can skip out on.

Unless it's mandated by a court and then the police can come and take you back. But who's keeping track of the thousands of people who are doing that now?

Plus your medication is not free unless administered by the hospital. So if you don't have a job you don't have money for meds, or you spend it on drugs. Etc.


There needs to be a more proactive approach. Try to stop it or treat it before it gets to that point regardless of their individual freedoms. But then you are changing the way the freedom of Rights is interpreted.

The number 1 goal should be housing first. Not housing if you are clean or if you abide by the rules. They did this in Europe and reduced homelessness to 1%.
 
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Bordercollie said:
You can lock them up but after the 72 hour hold and they still refuse to take their medication you can't keep them.

Now if they tried to jump infront of a train then because they tried to harm themselves they have to get therapy. But even that they can skip out on.

Unless it's mandated by a court and then the police can come and take you back. But who's keeping track of the thousands of people who are doing that now?

Plus your medication is not free unless administered by the hospital. So if you don't have a job you don't have money for meds, or you spend it on drugs. Etc.


There needs to be a more proactive approach. Try to stop it or treat it before it gets to that point regardless of their individual freedoms. But then you are changing the way the freedom of Rights is interpreted.

The number 1 goal should be housing first. Not housing if you are clean or if you abide by the rules. They did this in Europe and reduced homelessness to 1%.
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I do not doubt that having more housing (with support services) would reduce homelessness but from my experience there are still LOTS of homeless folk in Europe (though countries differ greatly there too. It was almost certainly not reduced to 1% of the formerly homeless population and I do not know how much it reduced homelessness itself as a percentage of the whole population but doubt it used to be 100 times worse. Where did your 1% figure come from, which country does it refer to, and 1% of what?
 
DSCToronto said:
I do not doubt that having more housing (with support services) would reduce homelessness but from my experience there are still LOTS of homeless folk in Europe (though countries differ greatly there too. It was almost certainly not reduced to 1% of the formerly homeless population and I do not know how much it reduced homelessness itself as a percentage of the whole population but doubt it used to be 100 times worse. Where did your 1% figure come from, which country does it refer to, and 1% of what?
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How did Denmark solve homelessness?
It is clear that providing housing first to the homeless individual is a strategy that is implemented in many different areas of the social services process in Denmark, and has also been successful in lowering the rates of homelessness to the small number of 0.1 percent.

Now that is one country but it says a lot.
 
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